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What is the product? A cream? A balm? You just want it in buckets or filled?

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Oh boy! I just did this today. 6000 daltons be 1.5 million daltons. Sorry I can’t upload video .
this 1% and HMW is THICK

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I assume your using sesame  oil  for eczema ..but it’s a dry feeling oil. Maybe some squalene and a butter? And a try some different emulsifiers. They make all the difference 

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Is ethyl ascorbic acid not stable on its own? I’m curious why you need the ferulic acid? For knowledge too please!

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I’ve always just tossed it in the water mix and poof it’s gone. And I use 3%. 

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PhilGeis said:

They have the facilities and controls and will issue a report you can show your client.
Trying to establish it yourself will be tough and not cost effective.
See: https://ifscc.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/2-Fundamentals-of-Stability-Testing.pdf

Thanks. I can for sure see my way is certainly not very credible in “report” format. I’ll double check that they really need this for a simple formula like this. I don’t see anyone asking for it though (retailers/health Canada/FDA) 

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Microformulation said:

You would need lots of lab equipment that you likely don’t have. Our stability oven was over 10K when new and we have to get it certified yearly. We test objectively for SG, pH (calibrated and logged), Viscosity (Brookfield calibrated yearly), visual appearance, and other metrics. We observe it across 3 accelerated cycles for changes. The final certificate is signed by a Chemist.

Don’t try to half-ass it or buy all that equipment for a rarely executed protocol. Call Microconsult for example out of Texas (https://microconsultinc.com/) and you would be surprised how affordable it is, especially when contrasted to buying the bench equipment. Also, you get a credible and credentialed certificate from a Professional. I consult with a company to evaluate these submissions to buyers, and we look closely at these forms.

Don’t do it. Make a sample, FedEx it to a lab, and wait for the test results.

Gotcha. It doesn’t seem necessary though recommended. (For this simple formulation anyway)

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Microformulation said:

The buyers I work with would demand a more structured stability test. Unless you have the needed equipment on board, you are best to send it out. It also grants you third-party validation.

I understand. What is the document they present? Is stability a specialized field or could I produce one using proper conditions?

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what is the end pH?

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Happy happy birthday!

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I am dying at these responses ???? tell them you charged it with moon beans and sang it a song. 

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They work differently..BP creates an oxidized environment that p acnes does not do well in. SA breaks up the dirt and oil that clogs the pore. I think it depends on the type of acne you have as to which works for you. Also in Canada BP is only allowed at 5-% without rx. But they are not really easily compared. 

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chemicalmatt said:

Looking to solubilize all that essential oil? 30% w/w of the total?  Nothing I know of will do that task. Best solubilizer I know is PolySugaMulse D9 from Colonial Chemical and you’d still need at least 3X that to do this.  Solution: tell your client this will be an anhydrous tonic and inform them the meaning of “anhydrous”; then you’ll have a clear path to success, and yes, pun intended there.

Oh thank you! Honestly I was freaking out that I’m missing something. You made my day 

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Oh I’ve tried poly 20 instead of CME as well. Tonic must be clear. 

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Abdullah said:

Use guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride or Hydroxypropyl guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride

Thanks!

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Are you ok with adding a little SLS? It will thicken with iselux 

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Cera bellina is dreamy.

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Agree to share formula, if you’re adding scent…that can break it as well. 

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Canada allows up to 2% but consider labeling as well as claims. You need to add the warnings and they will check once you notify them.

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I have. And the issue is not usually with the brand. They can be reasoned with. The issue is the retailers they sell to. Each has a no no list. They all vary so there is no one standard to formulate. These brands sell in these forums so must comply. And it sucks. For me. Lol 

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What is a tech transfer?

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Dtdang said:

thank you @Paprik, @Microformulation, @Graillotion

Everyone is just saying the power of hydrogen (pH) is a water measurement. Oil/skin/concrete..technically has no pH. You need water to measure pH 

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I believe it’s a cold process emulsifier. It’s gelling so you add it to the water phase. It will hold about 5% oil. Sounds like you lucked out though! 

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Anca_Formulator said:

@Rockstargirl Thank you. I know they have one but I’ve also heard that it is a good idea to have my own. However, since only one will be signed, maybe on this one I’ll have to stick with theirs. I’ve inquired with two attorneys and they don’t do this kind of contract…

I’m sure they can at least review your CM’s contract. It protects you both..but mainly states IP stays with lab 

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Pattsi said:

So you are a microsoft?

With hardcore marketing and enough time to create a cult, I could make people believe that you actually are an apple, the resurrection of the sin of Adam and Eve, if you want.

Well joking aside, have you come to term with what you comfortable calling yourself?
As much as I love cosmetic ninja but please don’t go with it definitely. 

Well now I have to use it forever