PeaceLoveNaturals
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@letsalcido thank you
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@Pharma That actually made a lot of sense thank you!
What has helped for me I think is separating ingredients into categories. So if a lotion usually needs an anionic and an ionic emulsifier if I can note which ingredients are in the following it helps to break down a part of their function.
What is a QAC? I think I might know but not sure the “C”…
If I used BTMS 50 do you think the butylene would work well enough as a humectant? Im finding many women who live in drier climates are complaining about glycerin in their hair products drying their hair out.
I have a few nice blends from evonik but then I wonder…do I need to add anything else? haha Still learning the basics, but I have started formulating and practicing. My first leave in conditioner has separated at the bottom…so I may share the formula to see why…
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@Belassi yes Im def seeing that they both (skin and hair) have their challenges. I have extremely sensitive skin so Im formulating with that in mind. Hair products in some cases have been challenging because you want to make something “special”.
Im researching some of my favorites here at home and just trying to find out the “why”. I had another post on here asking for some help with that. I def do my research, thats fun for me, but at times I just sit and wonder, why this and not that?…I suppose we can ask that about anything, its just a preference but its also a more specific question in the literal sense…there are just so many ingredients it makes it seem like there are endless possibilities.
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@Belassi Yes of course. I made a conditioner the other day and cant stand the scent I used. Thats trash…made another conditioner and the smell isnt awful so I will test the formula…today I made what may be an awesome lotion and am experimenting with using hydrosols as my fragrance component and I used one I didnt care for so much anyways for the experiment and whow, did I use WAY too much. I underestimated how much fragrance would come through from the scent. Lets just say I will not be able to drink chamomile tea for a while. Yuck! Also used Geogard ECT and man does that Benzyl smell come through once rubbed in. Yuck again…
In the meantime though, what can I benefit from a formula that didnt go as planned. Can I be watching for emulsion separation or bacteria build up ect? Maybe they arnt a total waste?
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@MarkBroussard No im not letting it sit at all actually. Im literally heating on my stove top on a water bath and darting to my work room (50ft away aprx) haha. But today I brought my mini mixer to my kitchen and immediately poured my oil phase into my water phase while standing at my stove top. This isnt ideal haha Maybe I will invest in a smal heat top for my work room soon.
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@Belassi So American here, Ive never used centigrade in my life haha I will try to learn so I can keep the appropriate lingo. Same with grams
Yes I thought maybe it would be too small of a batch to keep the heat consistent throughout. I will start making larger batches. I guess it feels wasteful if Im constantly experimenting but I know I need to learn it may in fact be a bit wasteful as Im testing formulas. Thanks.
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@helenhelen yes Im heating it to at least 149*F I have 1% butter, 5% oil and 5% emulsifying waxes
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@Graillotion $300 total? Why wouldn’t you just opt for a decent overhead stirrer for that cost? Just curious so I can know what might be more beneficial over another.
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@helenhelen Thanks so much! I may give it a go.
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@helenhelen thanks so much. Im in the states so I will have to look around. That thread you linked was helpful. There is an overhead stirrer Ive been eyeing on Amazon for $90 but wasnt sure if it was just ganna be a load of junk haha. I will link it and see what you think. https://www.amazon.com/CO-Z-Electric-Height-Adjustable-Mixer0-3000-Mechanical/dp/B07TX82NBL/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1LTAEEOSVQ3FU&dchild=1&keywords=overhead+stirrer&qid=1592500577&sprefix=overhead+sti%2Caps%2C189&sr=8-3 But it looks maybe like what you have?
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Thank you everyone for your responses. Im sorry I have not checked back since I last posted this. In all honesty I cant remember why I was formulating with propanedial at 10%
I know with hair care in particular propanedial is sometimes preferred because in dryer climates many women claim glycerin dries their hair, so I assumed it may be the same for the skin. Im not a scientist so Idk if their are facts behind what they state, that the glycerine at drier climates may cause the atmosphere to rip moisture from you skin instead of providing you with moisture since there is not much in the air. -
thanks so much I did order a few ingredients, a few new preservatives…I have seen sorbitol in lots of leave on conditioner products. Im formulating a leave in so I just started researching about sorbitol a bit. Good to know it helps lower water activity.
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@pharma very interesting. I cant pretend to comprehend everything you just told me but I think I got the gist. I swear if I had known I could mix science and cosmetics in high school I would have been a better student haha
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@Pharma Hmm then Im wondering if my re-formulating of this lotion (my take on it) may work. I dont have all the water activity ingredients so I will def need a preservative system. Do you think using Geogard ECT or the verstatile in a airless pump bottle would be sufficient? I know sometimes the “natural preservatives work best if air and fingers, water cant get to it. To share my formulation or to not share is the question?! haha Maybe I will just go for it. I wouldnt originally use an airless pump though…just in the final product.
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@Pharma there is a popular new brand that made this very simple moisturizer. It honestly is not the most moisturizing but I live in a very humid climate so it seems to work well for me. I also have tried other moisturizers and because of the formula mixed with the humidity my skin is left with a sticky feeling and I honestly hate that. This is the ingredient list for the moisturizer:
Water, Butylene Glycol, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Squalane, 1,2-Hexanediol, Behenyl Alcohol, Ammonium Acryloyldimethyltaurate/VP Copolymer, Avena Sativa (Oat) Meal Extract, Ethylhexylglycerin
So looking at this formula I was wondering how I could improve on it. So the thought of using Cetyl came to mind but Ive never worked with Behenyl Alcohol so I wasnt sure the difference. Im also trying to figure out their preservative system. Its obviously Ethylhexyglycerine, but its an open jar container. It cant possibly JUST be this ingredient? Could 1,2 Hexanediol be a booster? I have very sensitive skin and this formula is very no fuss and gentle but obviously Im just looking at it as a reference. -
@octagonchem Thank you
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@Pharma I read the Evonik info and unfortunately there was just not enough info for me to understand. The information I accessed from the site was much more generic the the page that was brought up in your link. I actually have an account with them so I can access a a dif portal. I wish they had a market presentation like they do on many of their other products. Now if i was marketing a product as “fragrance free” do you think i would encounter issues with labeling it as a fragrance though? fragrance and skincare dont NOT mix for me unfortunately.
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@ngarayeva001thank you thats very helpful. I think I will go ahead and try cetyl for now.
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@ngarayeva001 Thank you. Theres a moisturizer I own that I love and it had behenyl alcohol. I can see that many people who have reviewed it do not feel its moisturizing enough so I was looking at it as a starter formula and thought maybe using cetyl would help ot to be more moisturizing but wasnt sure as Ive never worked with behenyl.
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@letsalcido @Pharma sounds like my mommas hair as well. Very fine and thin. Thankfully I take from my fathers side haha
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@perry Def I wasnt sure if there was kind of a good starting % and then work from there.
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ngarayeva001 said:Yes, behenyl gives more powdery and dry feel than cetyl.
Ok that makes sence, so if used in a lotion youd get a possibly drier result? Verse maybe the lotion feeling “sticky”?
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@Perry Sorry its been a while. I think simply being a beginner and learning about all of these different ingredients, whether their ionic or non ionic and how one works with the other and if Im using 2 of the same or different that will compliment each other and % of usage for each when working together etc is what has got me strung up haha. It does seem as though shampoos with Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate or Sodium C14-16 Olefin Sulfonate as the primary surfactant seem to work really well for my own hair and I never feel like I need a “sulfate” per say to cleanse my hair really well. But anyways, I think my amminture skills may be holding me aup a bit plainly haha.
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@Pharma Many women now are following certain hair guidelines where they eliminate certain detergents that have either been shown to be harsher then others or “not naturally derived” etc. Theres list that many women follow and of course as you know the term “sulphate” alone sends many women running from that shampoo. Or if they do use it, its infrequent. I know personally for me, my hair feels very stripped after I use a sulfate shampoo, even if I deep condition after (which many women dont have time for) so I trying to find “gentler” solutions, and the detergent I listed above was recommended. I just dont know what to pair it with…Can I use 2 detergents fine in a workable formula? I see some shampoos with 3-7 detergents in them sometimes.
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@Belassi thank you. I havent worked with either yet. Im trying to formulate a shampoo and I am just getting so hung up on the surfactants.