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  • Hair Conditioner Formula Shrinkage

    Posted by heavenly4u on December 14, 2021 at 12:24 am

    Hi All. Hoping
    to get help with my leave-in hair conditioner. I’m a fairly new formulator (less than1
    year). 

    The batch volume I made was 8.82 oz. However,
    after 6 days I notice there is about 1/2 inch less product in the bottle. I’m
    not sure why there is shrinkage. Below is my formulation:

    WATER PHASE:

    Water - 70%

    Cetrimonium Chloride 2%

    OIL PHASE:

    BTMS 50 - 2%

    Caprylic/Capric Triglycerides - 5%

    Coco Caprylate Caprate - 4%

    Safflower Oil - 5%

    Argan Oil - 5%

     

    COOL DOWN
    PHASE:

    Vitamin E - 0.10%

    Geogard Ultra - 1.5%

    Orange Essential Oil - 1.5%

    Chamomile Extract - 3.9%

    Heated and held both the water and oil phases, in separate containers, at
    70C times 20 mins then combined the water and oil phase. Fully homogenized thoroughly
    with stick blender.  Mixture cooled to 40C
    then added cool down phase. No initial or subsequent separation, stayed fully incorporated
    except for shrinkage. Any ideas why shrinkage occuring? Thanks in advance.

    heavenly4u replied 2 years, 4 months ago 6 Members · 13 Replies
  • 13 Replies
  • heavenly4u

    Member
    December 14, 2021 at 12:36 am

    Addendum: 
    Geogard Ultra - INCI: Gluconolactone, sodium benzoate, calcium gluconate
    BTMS 50 - INCI: 
    Behentrimonium Methosulfate (and) Cetyl Alcohol (and) Butylene Glycol

  • ozgirl

    Member
    December 14, 2021 at 12:44 am

    You have incorporated air/bubbles when blending with a stick mixer. It is probably just the air/bubbles coming out. Was there any change in weight?

  • heavenly4u

    Member
    December 15, 2021 at 11:16 pm

    That makes sense ozgirl. I didn’t check the weight though but I’ll go back and check. Also, would you recommend going forward that I make more product than I need in order to account for the air/bubbles? Thanks for your help :-)

  • DAS

    Member
    December 16, 2021 at 5:15 am

    Cetrimonium Chloride has a safety limit for leave in, and you are way over it. Besides it does the same as the BTMS, i’d remove it. Anyway, I don’t know for how long it will hold that much oil load, but usually leave-ins don’t need that much. Here are 2 guide formulas from Croda and Elementis so you see the difference.


  • heavenly4u

    Member
    December 16, 2021 at 6:06 am

    Yes, I understand what you’re saying. I’m going to revise/remake the formula without the Cetrimonium Chloride and reduce the oil amounts to see if that helps. Will keep you all posted. Thanks so much for your help! 

  • ketchito

    Member
    December 16, 2021 at 2:05 pm

    @heavenly4u Just a thought, Cetrimonium chloride comes as a 30% solution, and considering a dosage of 2%, you’ll have 0.6% of the ingredient in your formula, while the maximum level permitted for leave-on products is 1.0%. 

    Now, Cetrimonium chloride has a synergistic effect when mixed with Behentrimonium (it has a better performance at neutralizing static charge, I believe due to its higher mobility in solution). 

    If your issue is the foam, you could use some dimethicone in your formula, and also reduce mixing speed gradually while you cool down so air can be removed before it’s completely cold. 

  • OldPerry

    Member
    December 17, 2021 at 2:08 am

    @ketchito - Cetrimonium Chloride is only allowed in leave-on at 0.25%.

    Three quaternary ammonium salts used as cosmetic ingredients, cetrimonium chloride, cetrimonium bromide, and steartrimonium chloride, were found to be safe for use in rinse-off
    products and safe for use at concentrations of up to 0.25% in
    leave-on products by the Cosmetic Ingredient Review (CIR)
    Expert Panel in 1997.
    ” - from CIR-safety review.

  • heavenly4u

    Member
    December 20, 2021 at 10:23 pm

    Thanks so much ketchito and Perry for your help, valuable information. I will let you know how my revised formulation turns out. 

  • ketchito

    Member
    December 21, 2021 at 1:02 pm

    Perry said:

    @ketchito - Cetrimonium Chloride is only allowed in leave-on at 0.25%.

    Three quaternary ammonium salts used as cosmetic ingredients, cetrimonium chloride, cetrimonium bromide, and steartrimonium chloride, were found to be safe for use in rinse-off
    products and safe for use at concentrations of up to 0.25% in
    leave-on products by the Cosmetic Ingredient Review (CIR)
    Expert Panel in 1997.
    ” - from CIR-safety review.

    Thank you @Perry! That’s for the North American market, right? I was considering only the european regulation in which CTC can be used in leave-on products for hair at up to 1.0%. They do make a distinction between leave ons, and the ones for face have a lower limit of CTC (0.5%):

  • OldPerry

    Member
    December 21, 2021 at 2:09 pm

    Yes, CIR refers to the US market.  Go figure, the US is more strict than the EU.

  • Paprik

    Member
    December 21, 2021 at 7:26 pm

    I wanted to post this yesterday, but ran out of time. @ketchito already mentioned that. EU is more “relaxed”, haha. 

  • ketchito

    Member
    December 22, 2021 at 5:13 pm

    They seem to be more “relaxed” indeed  :D. I wonder if these differences are mainly “political”, since both orgamizations review the same studies to set up these limits. 

  • heavenly4u

    Member
    December 25, 2021 at 12:30 am

    Hello all, providing an update: I revised the formula to decrease the cetrimonium chloride from 2% to 0.8% for US compliance (.24%). Also, I adjusted my technique for stick blending the formula to decrease risk for air bubbles. It turned out really great and absolutely NO shrinkage so far like I had with the first batch. Thanks to all of you for your help with the “newbie”. I’m learning so much from this community :-)  

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