

Pattsi
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previous job - frequently wash hands - play time - no.
current job - use computer and mobile all day - play time - no.
before bed - I put hand cream on my hands, knees, elbows, feet - play time - no - don’t wanna rub 12-15 mins - just want to get it done then sleep. -
I don’t think they hide the ingredient but I doubt that their products work well.
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Pattsi
MemberAugust 14, 2021 at 6:22 am in reply to: Face cream……Myristyl Myristate or Behenyl alcoholI’m a bit confused, why would you want to go with Myristyl Myristate tho you have lite esters already, and I would not want to see it on the LOI in face cream.
If budget is no concern, I would go with Behenyl Alcohol for its higher melting point and longer pay off and it looks better in LOI. Cheers -
Pattsi
MemberAugust 12, 2021 at 12:48 pm in reply to: Cetylhydroxyproline Palmitamide … Can I find the back door in?I bought something from them before when I was in Thailand and felt like hobbying. They are good compare to other Thai repackers. But not sure they ship internationally. Another time I had my brother bought the the item and sent to me via DHL, it’s $100ish shipping.
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Pattsi
MemberAugust 11, 2021 at 11:21 am in reply to: Gel formula wth Salicylic Acid,Carbomer & base,would the base neutralize the acid & impact activity?At some level yes.
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Pattsi
MemberAugust 11, 2021 at 8:15 am in reply to: Amino Acids in skin care…Which have good supporting data?NAC is a drug. FDA’s issued a warning letter.
With high % Amino acids you may cross the cosmetics line.
the safest bet must be betaine. -
Pattsi
MemberAugust 10, 2021 at 12:46 pm in reply to: What level of carbomer and triethanolamine can go with for a gel that is of low viscosity?Also depend on the size of the pump too.
if it’s too runny and you use big pump, it would spill.
If it’s too thick and you use small pump, it would be hard to pump.If you can provide more details, you may get more specific answer.
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Pattsi
MemberAugust 10, 2021 at 12:33 pm in reply to: The ordinary Vitamin C Suspension 23% + HA Spheres 2%Ascorbic Acid, Squalane, Isodecyl Neopentanoate, Isononyl Isononanoate, Coconut Alkanes, Ethylene/Propylene/Styrene Copolymer, Ethylhexyl Palmitate, Silica Dimethyl Silylate, Sodium Hyaluronate, Glucomannan, Coco-Caprylate/Caprate, Butylene/Ethylene/Styrene Copolymer, Acrylates/Ethylhexyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Trihydroxystearin, BHT.
use a super fine Ascorbic Acid powder. -
Pattsi
MemberAugust 10, 2021 at 11:00 am in reply to: What is a basic question about beauty products you want to know the answer to?DaveStone said:What are the scientifically supported anti-aging ingredients (if there are any)?Plastic surgery.
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MemberAugust 10, 2021 at 10:56 am in reply to: Am I allowed to rant about minimum order quantities (MOQs)?Perry said:Also, big companies rely on the small startups to take the risk of starting a new brand. Then they just buy out the new brands that are successful. Having a functioning ecosystem of start-ups is seen as good for a large company.How many small, indie brands that become successful are still indie?
By Chinese investors also, and expect to see more from UAE or Saudi in the next 10 years.
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Pattsi
MemberAugust 9, 2021 at 12:54 pm in reply to: Am I allowed to rant about minimum order quantities (MOQs)?As @Microformulation said also they supply manufacturers around the globe.
Or is it just not worth the trouble to them? Yes.
If you want something, you can ask in here too. Many members are very well familiar with many repackagers. -
Pattsi
MemberAugust 9, 2021 at 12:26 pm in reply to: Does this “Lift-Me-Up” cream have the science behind it?They have their targeted audiences. The price tag is quite alluring compare to other natural brands. If you expect $1,000 worth work from a $4.5 jar, you might be disappointed so don’t expect anything then you will never be disappointed.
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Pattsi
MemberAugust 4, 2021 at 1:35 pm in reply to: Hiring: Formulator for natural dog and cat skin spray projectsome contacts.
You may find service who take on your inquiry there.
I have seen 500 - 1,000 USD. often.
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I am no expert in sunscreen or even basic formula, but I imagine matching the texture of 19.7% octocrylene, ethylhexylsalicylate and octylmethoxycinnamate with ZnO/TIO2 using the old formula as a starting point would be hard.
As a sale person - if the new texture is very similar to the old one but with a new or better claim, that can be good material for marketing too.
Good lck
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Check if the brand already have designated distributor in your country/region or not.
If not you can contact the brand directly and ask for a business matching or a proposal meeting and work on the deal. brand will give you distributor’s price and needed registration documents and shipping after. Also there are other means to do it legally. -
Pattsi
MemberJuly 20, 2021 at 8:45 am in reply to: What gives a dry silky feeling….30 min after application.Why can’t you down Dimethicone/Vinyl Dimethicone Crosspolymer to 0.5 or 0.X , is it a request from buyer?
There is silica-coated silicone powder, can’t remember the name, sorry. -
Pattsi
MemberJuly 19, 2021 at 12:37 pm in reply to: What gives a dry silky feeling….30 min after application.Maybe you should go fancy with Nylon-12.
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@PhilGeis - Hi, can you please explain more on Package size is a critical factor?
Is the bigger bottle the more it take up the preservative? Or is it the thickness or is it the more head space?
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Pattsi
MemberJuly 9, 2021 at 11:50 am in reply to: The In’s and Out’s of using silica as a mattifier and texture enhancer.Aerosil 200 is too small. You need 4.5-7 microns silica. Never had Greensil before so I don’t know. might start at 1 and up and down.
have my eyes on DOWSIL 9701 but can’t get my hands on it yet. -
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MemberJuly 6, 2021 at 8:50 am in reply to: To everyone who makes this forum what it is, thank you!@abierose I absolutely don’t deserve to be in the list, I’m a marketer with only basic formulating skill, but I’m glad you’ve found my input useful at some degree.
I thank you @Perry for this forum and @everyone for your priceless wisdom and contributions.
In this fast paced and sometimes deceptive industry, this is where I can stop by and read honest comments and learn very great things from professionals and highly intelligent people.
Also thank you everyone for not judging me and other for broken English.
Wish you all great health and safe, we will go through this pandemics together.
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@MarkBroussard - No way!!!! Me too, thought I was alone.
@PhilGeis - Sadly DMDM is dead now. It’s a guess game what next. When mass brands replace controversial ingredient I have no choice but to follow suit which is hard on us small brand. Totally BS.
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Not very much amazingly different compare to 350 cst alone.
I would say it feel a bit softer and bouncier on application but not the velvety feeling of elastomer.
It’s only my diy playing not a professional formulae, I just try adding some different silicone like hair conditioner. -
Pattsi
MemberJuly 5, 2021 at 4:07 pm in reply to: Customer perception thoughts on a hand cream (part II) .I don’t understand your Ahhhh so you have to wait for the feedbacks if it’s a +Ahhhh or -Ahhhh or can’t really tell Ahhhh.
For all-around daily use hand cream.
Also pay attention to palms too, you shouldn’t leave a printing.
Most consumers will want to grab their phones or somethings asap.I would say I’m leaning towards your B but it has to make you go Ahhhh upon application to few mins and then the feeling of sinking in immediately and moisturized for 2 hrs and then the feeling of wanting to go Ahhhh again.
like If you combine the luxurious Ahhhh from CHANEL LA CRÈME MAIN with the sinking in of The Chemist Brand with some natural vibes. It would likely be an easy sale.
Your A is also good, if the Ahhhh can make you feel like using hand cream a queen (not a duchess of California) would use.
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Pattsi
MemberJuly 4, 2021 at 6:56 pm in reply to: Hi All, Bought this New Mr. Magic Hand wash from AmazonIf I remember it correctly this product is not new, it was early or mid 2018.
My mom went to India and snapped a shot of it and asked me if I want a sample, I said NO-WAY, if you let consumers play with surfactant powder then you are asking for trouble. -
I made a habit of myself not skipping chelator and preservative when I diy because sometimes I give out my diy sample to friends and families so I don’t want it to turn bad in their hands.
I have never used BTMS so don’t really know about the skin feel.
I personally don’t like Polyquat 7 in skincare.
Hydrolised wheat protein - Meh
Panthenol - Meh
I find 15% natural oil too greasy for my taste, I normally use 2-3 and some light ester 5-8.
I like Chamomile extract, not for skin benefit but for its smell when blend it with some sweet fragrance, it is quite soothing.Since you have conditioner formula so I assume you have dimethicone 60,000 , you might want to try 350/60,000 - 1.8/0.2 and see if you like it or not, I like it.
@abierose - even tho goop is weird, I personally find their cosmetics product well formulated.