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@Emotelle - We have our own formula (not recipe), I just mentioned some brand, performance or experience … etc. is to your liking or not, you have to work on the formula that you decide it is the best.
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No change, Zinc was added before Titanium.
https://ec.europa.eu/growth/tools-databases/cosing/pdf/COSING_Annex%20VI_v2.pdf
https://ec.europa.eu/growth/tools-databases/cosing/index.cfm?fuseaction=search.results
https://ec.europa.eu/growth/tools-databases/cosing/index.cfm?fuseaction=search.details_v2&id=38968
https://ec.europa.eu/growth/tools-databases/cosing/index.cfm?fuseaction=search.details_v2&id=31185
https://ec.europa.eu/growth/tools-databases/cosing/index.cfm?fuseaction=search.details_v2&id=94768
https://ec.europa.eu/growth/tools-databases/cosing/index.cfm?fuseaction=search.details_v2&id=94690
Omnibus III
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32021R0850&from=EN -
only restrictions for purity criteria
they only addColorants Further Restricted (Addition to Annex IV):
Titanium Dioxide
UV Filters Further Restricted (Addition to Annex VI):
Titanium Dioxide
https://biorius.com/regulatory/european-cosmetics-regulation-change-due-to-omnibus-iii/
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You might need Sepicgel305 or Aristoflex AVC to give a little body like @ketchito mentioned - easy to find.
Neutrogena - Sepicgel305
Clinique, Laneige - Aristoflex AVC -
Charlene said:
Where do you make the choice of a 5 ingredient product or as I said the bible?
What is right and what is wrong?Where do I make my choice? - consumers’ safety.
Either 5 or bible++, always make sure your product is safe.
Self-preserved or no preservative is not my cup of tea.simple or complicated? - be yourself, create product that represent your brand identity.
Charlene said:I finished this course just for fun and I always think you can learn more.Yes, never stop learning.
Happy formulating
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shea butter - cold process with stick blender?You might created a whipped butter which was fluffier and lighter than hot process one and made it feel better on application. It might not be ideal process for commercial scale production like @Abdullah mentioned.
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Charlene said:
actually not really.
If what you are going for is something similar to ultraplant, you may want to try to research for customer reviews outside of their communities more.It’s sure work well with dissolving makeup but it can’t be rinse off with water, you have to wipe your face sooooo hard with damp clothes to get it off.If you want to ref. a product, I would recommend goop, they have their own cult like Lush but their products ‘re better formulated and work better than Lush’s. -
I’m getting a Lush-vibe.
Not ideally good for Acne-prone skin.
You may try, incorporate vegan-emulsifier in your balm for easier wipe off with damp clothes. -
MarkBroussard said:Here’s an experiment for you: Slice your face with a razor blade over any wrinkles you may have and report back on the results when it heals.
@MarkBroussard - Please don’t encourage that. You might create a weird trend unintentionally.
DaveStone said:How come microneedling isn’t foolproof then?It is not a one-time magic procedure, if done correctly, usually took 3 courses in 6 months period.
@DaveStone - to your question, in theory it could be yes but every cut leaves a scar/microscar, it’s there even if you can’t see it. So It’s the choice between scar or wrinkle.
DaveStone said:
Even broken bones heal.yes but also leave scar.
basic reading
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/10984-wrinklesfor fun reading ( contain little explicit images, well not that explicit tho )
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You can try Cosmoperine® from Sabinsa or Piper Nigrum (Pepper) Fruit Extract and Zingiber Officinale (Ginger) Root Extract (Gingerols 10%).
VBE alone is quite irritating, using it with black pepper and ginger, you may have to do irritation test. -
lol lots of Thai stuffs and some Chinese.I’m familiar with these stuffs tho, they managed to sneak into US.Since hydroquinone is hard to get so they go for easier choice Mercury and steroid.Skin bleaching is everywhere, you can’t escape. Even Voldemort uses it, i guess.
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@Pharma - Thank you for your explanation.Pharma said:The instant you claim metabolic
activation, your product is a drug (or nutrient supplement) because it
relies on a full body circulation and lacks skin targeting.Very true, hormonal vitamin effects various tissues.
for fun reading. @GraillotionVitamin D3 is produced in the skin from 7-dehydrocholesterol by UV irradiation.vitamin D def, you can guess what will be the first prescription, yes sun exposure - morning sun 7-8 am or evening sun 4-5 pm for 15-30 min.In US, it isn’t banned, L’oreal still use it but EU version they removed it, I’m guessing they use it at super low.Perry said:That you find creams on Amazon is not surprising. It is difficult for the FDA to keep up on all these different products.Very true. Some weird stuffs sell better than actual OTC.
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Abdullah said:I want to cure the problems with these ingredients but not in US and there is not restrictions for these ingredients in Asia.
There is, please check with your local authority.
If you are India-based, you fall under The Drugs & Cosmetics Act 1940 and Cosmetics Rules 2020.
https://legislative.gov.in/sites/default/files/A1940-23.pdf
https://thc.nic.in/Central%20Governmental%20Rules/e%20Cosmetics%20Rules,%202020.pdf
https://law.resource.org/pub/in/bis/S11/is.4707.2.2009.pdf -
not sure what men’s skin intersects means, both men and women should look like this.
for fun reading
https://www.jcdr.net/article_fulltext.asp?id=9296
https://www.karger.com/Article/Fulltext/477854
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Perry said:@MarkBroussard - I suppose there are plastics you could inject that might not degrade in the body over time.
There is but not approved as filler so don’t look for it @Perry, you look fantastic the way you are.
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Thank you @Pharma. I’m not sure I can send fresh rhizomes into Switzerland, let me check if it’s can be send as personal gift but I think the powdered one can.
Thank you @Perry .
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Can’t wait for the session.
I want to hear Pharma’s take on curcuminoid.
Curcumin, Demethoxycurcumin
and Bisdemethoxycurcumin in the Crude Curcuminoid
Extract from Curcuma longa VS TetrahydrodiferuloylmethaneI have read Curcuma longa extract benefits in open wound but on intact skin I haven’t had any thing solid yet.
I’m skeptical about Tetrahydrodiferuloylmethane.
Any thought on Cassumunarin? Is it really good/special as papers from Thailand say it is?
It’s a short session, if it’s possible if you can point the direction to the study or book I can read further would be appreciated.
@Perry - I missed the session with Mark, do I have any way to watch it, is it available on youtube?
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Congrats on the job and my heart goes out to you.
It’s just the way rich people live lol.
I had to go and stay in our costumer’s house ( I wouldn’t call it a house tho, it’s more like 3 villas in the same fence ) for 3 days and he took me golfing, fishing, dinning, parties, blabla without a single word of business but at the end he payed easily. It’s cultural thing we marketer/sale-rep have to learn over time.
It’s better than rich(?) people who talk big but don’t actually have the $.Good luck. Cheers!!!
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vitalys said:- Understanding what an active is going to do when it reaches a particular layer in the SC/the mode of action/biochemical transformation or utilization
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@ccchem - It’s not as simple as deeper is better.
There’s issue with ensuring consumer safety.
And then even if you can manage to go to Stratum Basale, how will you determine it not cross through to Dermis.Abdullah said:@Pattsi where can we watch it?It’s on the right side of the page. follow my arrows you will see it.
suswang8 said:“black box”????
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watch Perry and Belinda
Latest Q&A session >>>>
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Interesting, it’s bright yellow, I have only seen pale yellow or bronw-ish of source.
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Hi @MarkBroussard May I ask what Betaine does in this formula?I made my shampoo with only Water, Surfactant Blend, Preservatives and I was too lazy to thicken it too.Thank you in advance.
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Honestly, (texturally) I’m not impressed with any hand cream or face or body cream anymore weather polymeric or not.I categorized them to only “quite nice / ok-ish / suck”.Don’t get me wrong, I’m on the quest to find cream that can wow me physically or mentally.
Pullulan cream I referred to, was pullulan alone (with or without low xanthan in the formula I can’t remember), nice temporary tightening film-forming effect, felt quite nice on both face and hands but it wasn’t put on sale, it’s just a test formula.
In thick emulsion like cream or butter, 0.2 normal grade xanthan or fantasy gums make no differences on texture and skin feel if your emollient and other part is good enough. The best answer you can get, you might have to try them yourself.
In thinner emulsion like lotion, I can’t say for certain there will be a difference or not from different gum or gums, don’t have much experience with gum in lotion, mostly polymers.Only in water product like gel, serum, toner, spray, blabla - I can feel a hugh difference from different gum or gums even at 0.1 or lower, even when water phase emollient was added. I’m really picky with this type of product.
Graillotion said:gums…vs polymericsa ‘good enough’ product to compete with the polymerics???
It’s not a one winner situation, they have different characteristic textures for different targeted consumers.
Graillotion said:For some reason, I like to keep a basic continuity in my products, across the board. So my very functional products are taking me back to gums. I would like to drag my textural beauties (albeit kicking and screaming) along for the ride. (If possible.)Normally, brand(s) would carry their branding or signature or DNA through out the line. If you rely on only texture as branding, it might be a bit hard to build a brand. But I know you also have other stuffs up in your sleeves too lol.
Graillotion said:who has done a good job with using gums…vs polymerics (amongst those with the big marketing budgets).
Those with the big enough budgets would normally have creams with different textures to please every targeted segments.
Sorry that my answer is not chemistry related.Cheers.