[Paprik]

( I guess you diluted it with water, so) Yes, absolutely.

If there was a preservative in original the product, it was only enough to preserve the original product / 70% solution.

If you add water or other ingredients you dilute the preservative and it no longer will perform “strong” enough to preserve it. = microbial growth.

Hope it makes sense?

[Paprik]

Hi,

please provide full formula and method. If possible, also a picture so we can see that.

[Paprik]

If you are a manufacture I would say yes. If you are producing at home I would say no.

As Perry said, standard detergent/soapy hot water, rinse off properly (with distilled water preferably) and before you use the equipment spray it with IPA solution (70-80%).

I like to spray it after washing also. [Although I am using a small dishwasher which also dries it for me].

[Paprik]

Remove Lamesoft PO 65 and you should be fine.

Also process the Guar gum correctly, I had recently some headache with it (read my post from couple days ago about it if not sure ).

I don’t think NaCl would cause any instability.

The higher viscosity at lower pH is probably due to higher presence of citric acid (pH adjuster) -> more shielding -> more cylindrical micelles -> higher viscosity.

[Paprik]

I might be the oatmeal. Try to formulate it without [or use it at very low input - 0.1%] and see how it goes.

[Paprik]

A quick google search told me that Sodium Hyaluronate is practically insoluble in ethanol.

[Paprik]

Thanks a lot guys. This is kind of what I wanted to hear.

The reason why I asked is because I did make a shampoo with GHPC, but found some gelatinous bits in it after some time. And wasn’t sure if it was GHPC or something else. I wanted to investigate and test each ingredient and this happened. But if it’s normal (without anionic surfactant) it is a good sign my GHPC is just fine

I did try it with Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate yesterday (Water, 6% SLAS, 0.3% GHPC and 5% CAPB, Preservative) and waiting for bubbles to go away and validate the product. Will be in touch if something bad happens ????

[Paprik]

It looks like the photo is not showing?

Am I doing something wrong @thejoggler ? If I try to edit my post the photo is there uploaded.

[Paprik]

Hello,

could you please confirm the input of XG? 0.02% Even though you said you are getting gel/thicker water phase out of this? Not sure what type of XG you have, but go at least 0.5%.

I am not familiar with Soft and silky emulsifier, but you might need to increase the input. Glyceryl Stearate is low HLB, this can perhaps destabilize it? Try Glyceryl Stearate SE.

I would suggest start very simply -

Water, XG, some lipid (avoid expensive ones as it is a wash off product or use them at 0.01% and the majority should be cheap lipid), emulsifier, sugar, preservative. Mix, test and add new ingredients after everything holds together nicely.

[Paprik]

Phase A :

• Water
• Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate
• Glyceryl oleate

Phase B :

• Glyceryl Stearate SE
• Cetyl Alcohol 

Phase C

• Preservative

Phase D

• pH adjuster to 4.8 - 5.3

Make this and see how it feels and performs. If it’s to your likings, add the marketing ingredients after. They won’t effect stability or performance much.

[Paprik]

Sarcosinates are usually mild and have a nice stable foam. Make sure your final pH is >5. 

Panthenol, Allantoin, Niacinamide, Sodium Hyaluronate, Tocopherol should be used at marketing % = 0.1 or 0.01% - will go down the drain. [Unless you show me some in-vivo study that it has benefits in wash off products] 

Keep the CCT input at minimum so you do not kill the foam and cleansing properties. 

I do not see any preservative? 

Did you get this of some brand or it is your list of ingredient? What is the purpose of Sodium Hydroxide in there?

You could use some superfatting agent to give the hydrates/moisturized feel after wash. I assume this is for (your) dry, sensitive skin? 

[Paprik]

@Joseph141, no one is annoyed or being rude, same about you. Chill  

Let us know what ingredients you have on hand and we can put something together. 
If you are getting irritation, I would stay away from Sulfates - Even tho SLES is ethoxylated, I would simply choose some milder surfactant (maybe personal preference). 

[Paprik]

Are the UV filters solid? If so, I don’t think you have enough lipid. 
Also do not understand much 11% Decyl glucoside. 

[Paprik]

All below are COSMOS/ECO CERT

Oramix CG110 (Seppic) INCI:Caprylyl/CaprylGlucoside

Lamesoft OD (BASF) INCI: Coco-Caprylate,Lauryl Glucoside,Glycerin, Polyglyceryl-2Dipolyhydroxystearate,Polyglyceryl-3Diisostearate

Natisol (Sinerga)INCI: Cocoyl Proline

Natpure Sol (Sensient) INCI: Glycerin, Sucrose Laurate, Sucrose Dilaurate, Sucrose Trilaurate, Sorbitol

Natragem S140NP (Croda) INCI: Polyglyceryl-4laurate/sebacate, Polyglyceryl-6caprylate/caprate, Aqua

Symbiosolv Clear Plus (Evonik) INCI: Caprylyl/capryl glucoside,Aqua, Sodium cocoyl glutatmate,Glyceryl caprylate, Citric acid,Polyglyceryl-6 oleate, Sodiumsurfactin

Tegosolve 90 (Evonik) INCI:Polyglyceryl-6caprylate/polyglyceryl-4 caprate

Polysugamulse D9 (ColonialChemicals) INCI:Sorbitan OleateDecylglucoside Crosspolymer

Velsan Flex (Clariant) INCI:Capryloyl / CaproylAnhydroMethyl Glucamide

[Paprik]

Thank you guys, this is actually I was wanting to ask too. 
I almost could not believe my eyes first

I actually brought my conditioner for my mom when I was visiting her back in Czech and she is using the same one mentioned here. And she “complained” about my one not spreading that well either! So I will try to adjust the formula a bit to the suggestions from here Cheers! 

[Paprik]

@Abdullah personally I did not have issues with it either. However I did not use it a lot. But from IPCS everyone who ever had a problem with surfactant system and had there Lamesoft, it was the culprit. 

[Paprik]

My bet is Lamesoft PO65. Have you tried it without it? 

It is great in bar products, but in liquid surfactant systems it causes a loooot of headaches to people. 

[Paprik]

I guess you should bother with sharing the formula.
This is the only thing we can see and check - unfortunately we do not see how you heat, mix and cool the product. 

It could be some of the ingredients causing some microbial growth? Or incompatibility? Hard to tell without the formula.  

[Paprik]

I am not expert in W/O emulsions, but I disagree with gelling your water can improve stability. 
You should be trying to suspend the water in the oil continuous phase, therefore you need to gel you oil phase. So it stops the water droplets from “swimming”. 

I used to use Candelila wax in my lip balm at 2% (I believe), but it gave tooo much shine, … how does your product apply? Doesn’t it leave you very shiny? [Maybe the Arrow root helps with that]

PS. I don’t see any antioxidant for your butters and oils. 

[Paprik]

You would need to share your whole formula mate. 

I already cringe when I see coco glucoside as a “primary” surfactant. I personally do not like it much. 

By the “gelling” issue, you mean the whole product gels or just at the pump? Coco glucoside does this - it kind of dries and can block the pump where contact with air. 

Please share you full formula and method and we will be able to help you  

[Paprik]

Correct .. Organic “stamp” has some specific requirements. 

But as @Graillotion said, if you do not put the “ingredient” in, you can “claim” it.
Such as Paraben free, Sulfates free, EO free … [However I believe in EU some claims are banned as it may suggest that the ingredient is bad - such as parabens].

[Paprik]

@MarkBroussard Hehe .. I only told her to check it out! That’s basically putting PJ on the face. Nothing for me tho  

[Paprik]

@Ghita37, check out “Slugging”  

[Paprik]

There are few “grades” of BTMS. 25 ; 50 ; 75%. You can choose - I am using 50% and it works just fine  

[Paprik]

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