[Paprik]

Are you sure you are using proper Menthol?

I have refreshing face wash with 0.15% Menthol in it (if I remember correctly) and it does cool the face and give the fresh feel. I cannot imagine putting more than 0.05% you-know-where ..

[Paprik]

It seems to me you are trying to mix polar and non-polar lipids?

[Paprik]

I think that the area around the nose is usuallly thiner or if you have a cold or something and blow your nose often it can get easily irritated. (?)Or you just have more sensitive area around the nose. Has anyone else tried the product? If so, did they experience the same?

What is the final pH of the product?

[Paprik]

Please supply your full formula and method including final pH.

Or we can also guess colour of your tshirt with the little information you have provided 🙂

[Paprik]

Yeah, the majority of the face oil should be from light esters - Coco Caprylate, IPM, etc …

Aim to around 10-15% of you heavy plant oil (Argan Oil in this case).

Add some Coenzyme Q10 and/or Sea Buckthorn oil for marketing and you have a great product. 🙂

[Paprik]

I also finished the Diploma.

I was in the “business” for maybe 2 years and felt like I needed some upgrade and as I am close to AUS, I decided for this one.

This is the only program I took so I cannot compare it with anything [Except some free ones from Botanica and similar and loads of YouTube videos and articles]. I believe the program is quite nice and will definitely teach you something new.

I believe Belinda has three kids and one of them is autistics, so she has some kind of “touch” when teaching as she understands different feels and needs. She usually goes with the provided text in the videos and explains things along.

Some people learn by listening, some by reading some by writing it down.

Also, the text is usually detailed and after she sums everything in a nice table.

I typically watched the video and read the text after.

The videos are boring sometimes. She does repeat stuff a lot.

The good thing about this program is that you get access to their Dropbox for life. They always update their texts with new information and also add new information.

Another good thing is you have access to FB group for Students and Graduates and can ask anything, share your brand etc. Plus once a month there is a live video where they answer your questions.

The only thing I didn’t like was the email support. Not sure if all trainers are like this, but Tasmin wasn’t always super helpful. I did not get usually like proper answer. Or at least didn’t feel like it. And it wasn’t only my feel as I am in touch with others [we do have a group in AKL] and they agreed.

But yeah, if you have the money, time and will, do it. The more information you get the better 🙂

[Paprik]

I have been taught that ≤5% water, which should bring the available water ( a<sub style=”background-color: var(-bb-content-background-color); font-family: inherit; color: var(-bb-body-text-color);”>w </sub>) to <0.6, should inhibit any microbial growth. However, if there is a chance that water will be introduced, I would use those mentioned preservatives at low recommended inputs.

[Paprik]

So you actually mean “solubilised oil in water” formulas.

You should be looking for solubilisers. Check your suppliers and see what do they have under this name 🙂

Few examples :

Polysugamulse D9 is a very good one.

Caprylyl/Capryl Glucoside

Lamesoft OD

If you would use an emulsifier you would get a milky looking product.

[Paprik]

I still do not understand why people are putting anionic substances (EDTA) into cationic systems.

But I have seen it a lot. Those two will react together and form insoluble substances.

Without your full formula we won’t be able to help you much.

Do you have short hair? I don’t think pH 6 is really beneficial, as conditioners need lower pH (4-4.5) to have the strong cling moment (cationic conditioner + anionic hair). Also conditioner should be applied to the lengths and ends? Not roots?

Allantoin - I don’t think it will do anything in wash off formula.

[Paprik]

Thank you guys!

I was planning on adding Coca-Betaine after to increase viscosity, however firstly I wanted to check if the gum will hydrate properly/check stability.

@ketchito told me once that GHPTC works best with anionic surfactant to create those coacervates.

Soooo, the bottom line -

1. Add Guar into vortex

2. Add Coca-betaine

3. Add anionic (SLSA)

4. heat, preservative etc …

[Paprik]

Hi,

you are using 1:1 ratio // solubiliser (low HLB emulsifier in this case) : water soluble ingredient.

What ratio would you use to solubilise oil in water? 1 : 3? 1 : 5? 1 : 10? .. that would depend on the lipid and the solubiliser, right? Think about it and try to use it in your case.

Polysorbate has high HLB, it would not work in this case. You are using correct ingredient (low HLB emulsifier), you just need to either lower your extract or increase the “solubiliser”.

[Paprik]

I second Mark.

But if you would like to know the reason why it is getting cloudy you would need to provide full formula.

[Paprik]

( I guess you diluted it with water, so) Yes, absolutely.

If there was a preservative in original the product, it was only enough to preserve the original product / 70% solution.

If you add water or other ingredients you dilute the preservative and it no longer will perform “strong” enough to preserve it. = microbial growth.

Hope it makes sense? 🙂

[Paprik]

Hi,

please provide full formula and method. If possible, also a picture so we can see that.

[Paprik]

If you are a manufacture I would say yes. If you are producing at home I would say no.

As Perry said, standard detergent/soapy hot water, rinse off properly (with distilled water preferably) and before you use the equipment spray it with IPA solution (70-80%).

I like to spray it after washing also. [Although I am using a small dishwasher which also dries it for me].

[Paprik]

Remove Lamesoft PO 65 and you should be fine.

Also process the Guar gum correctly, I had recently some headache with it (read my post from couple days ago about it if not sure 🙂 ).

I don’t think NaCl would cause any instability.

The higher viscosity at lower pH is probably due to higher presence of citric acid (pH adjuster) -> more shielding -> more cylindrical micelles -> higher viscosity.

[Paprik]

I might be the oatmeal. Try to formulate it without [or use it at very low input - 0.1%] and see how it goes.

[Paprik]

A quick google search told me that Sodium Hyaluronate is practically insoluble in ethanol.

[Paprik]

Thanks a lot guys. This is kind of what I wanted to hear.

The reason why I asked is because I did make a shampoo with GHPC, but found some gelatinous bits in it after some time. And wasn’t sure if it was GHPC or something else. I wanted to investigate and test each ingredient and this happened. But if it’s normal (without anionic surfactant) it is a good sign my GHPC is just fine 😀

I did try it with Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate yesterday (Water, 6% SLAS, 0.3% GHPC and 5% CAPB, Preservative) and waiting for bubbles to go away and validate the product. Will be in touch if something bad happens 😀 ????

[Paprik]

It looks like the photo is not showing?

Am I doing something wrong @thejoggler ? If I try to edit my post the photo is there uploaded.

[Paprik]

Hello,

could you please confirm the input of XG? 0.02% Even though you said you are getting gel/thicker water phase out of this? Not sure what type of XG you have, but go at least 0.5%.

I am not familiar with Soft and silky emulsifier, but you might need to increase the input. Glyceryl Stearate is low HLB, this can perhaps destabilize it? Try Glyceryl Stearate SE.

I would suggest start very simply -

Water, XG, some lipid (avoid expensive ones as it is a wash off product or use them at 0.01% and the majority should be cheap lipid), emulsifier, sugar, preservative. Mix, test and add new ingredients after everything holds together nicely.

[Paprik]

Yes, I can confirm - thinking outside the box is prohibited *eye roll*. You have to go with their guidelines and follow the rules. Even though now, in my lab, I am doing things I wanted to and it is working. This sucks. Definitely.

[Paprik]

Hi Perry,

I thought anionic substances (such as Carbomer or Xanthan Gum) are not compatible with cationic substances?

Wouldn’t the HPMC be better?

Thank you for confirming 🙂

[Paprik]

Yeah, I don’t get Laurie’s point either …

Laurie, be careful, because this nasty ingredient is in 90% of products! Can be even at 70-90% concentrations! It can be deadly if inhaled. Can cause skin irritation if exposed for too long, eye irritation and more.

You should really watch out for Aqua/Water/Eau in INCI list. 🙂

[Paprik]

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