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Behentrimonium Methosulfate and Cetearyl Alcohol at 2% is a good alternative if you are willing to add water and a preservative. 

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Peppermint essential oil does the tingling effect plus the cooling. Dont think is water soluble but maybe if you incorporate it in some Xanthan Gum or Guar Gum might help.

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Hey Belassi!

What about making a Coconut Water Shampoo instead of Coconut Milk?! There are websites you can buy Coconut Water Powder! Just add it to the water phase and wala!

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You can find some useful ingredients on WholesaleSupplyPlus.com and I believe its even free shipping in the US.  

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Thanks for the links @lotionmaker!

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Thank you very much!

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I agree with all of you. Plus in Puerto Rico they have to follow FDAs guidelines as they are a commonwealth and a territory of the US.

Thank you all for your insight.

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True. Does Alkaline Water make the product some how less propense to bacteria or fungi growth? I mean why wouldnt you preserve a product when it is such an essential step of formulating.

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It could be a Glycerite which are herbal tinctures made with part vegetable glycerin and water to extract the medicinal constituents and flavor from a herb.

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Thank you for your insight Johnb ☺

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Great thank you for the Intel Perry. Will try to make it thick with Xanthan Gum but I am just mainly looking cleansing purposes.

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There are some “good” makeup products meaning they work well for what you bought them for, dont know about the ingredients though. 

But my main issue with these websites is that they are selling counterfeit products and marketing them as originals. Some people buy them knowing this information some just think there getting a great deal.

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That is unbelievable. I always kind of new of this issue or at least had a feeling sense I am a makeup artist as well and custermers sometimes brag about buying some “orginal” makeup products thru ebay, wish or aliexpres for far less of what they cost. I always tried to explaind that they were fake or a missleading products but what can you do when people makeup there mind. 

Thanks for sharing your intel and experiencia on the topic gentleman.

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Wow is that even legal? No wonder there are so many products dupes being ceeated overthere that are causing allergies to some consumers and they cant even pin point what it is.

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Thanks to everyone for your insight!

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That’s an interesting point Perry.

By legal you mean an INCI name? Because I did list the Ingredients with the proper inci name from there website on one of my comments. What makes be brainstorm is not been able to determine what emulsifying system they use, and this happens with I believe every product of them I have encountered with exception of there shampoos.

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Thanks @bill_toge.

@drbob@verdient.biz Thak you as well for the information! It is not my formula its a product from a line called Shea Moisture but I have a hard time finding there emulsifier in almost all of there product. So I wanted to double check if I was missing something.  

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Thanks for the validation Johnb. This would be the proper list, sorry I eliminated that so it wouldn’t be as long :

Deionized Water, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter)*, Cocos Nucifera (Coconut ) Oil*, Macadamia Ternifolia Seed Oil, Magnifera Indica (Mango) Seed Butter*, Persea Gratissima (Avacado) Oil, Vegetable Glycerin, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Extract, Silk Protein, Ammonium Salt, Melia Azadiratcha (Neem) Seed Oil,Daucus Carota Sativa (Carrot) Seed oil, Sorbitol Esters, Panthenol (Pro-Vitamin B-5), Caprylyl Glycol, Essential Oil Blend, Lonicera Caprifolium (honeysuckle) Flower (and) Lonicera Japonica (Japanese Honeysuckle) Flower Extract, Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Hibiscus Flower Extract

But steal is kind of shady.

This is another of there products.  

Water, Cocos Nucifera (Coconut) Fruit Juice, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea) Butter*, Stearyl Alcohol, Cetyl Alcohol, Behentrimonium Chloride, Glyceryl Caprylate, Panthenol, Fragrance (Essential Oil Blend), Litchi Chinensis (Lychee) Fruit Extract, Hylocereus Undatus (Dragon) Fruit Extract, Pyrus Malus (Apple) Fruit Extract, Garcinia Livingstonei (African Mangosteen) Seed Oil, Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Hydrolyzed Rice Protein, Glycerin, Psidium Guajava Fruit Extract, Citrus Grandis (Grapefruit) Fruit Extract, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Capric/Caprylic Triglycerides, Tocopherol, Sodium Benzoate, Myrciaria Dubia Fruit Extract, Cetrimonium Chloride, Glyceryl Undecylenate.

I do however see Stearyl Alcohol, Cetyl Alcohol, Behentrimonium Chloride. But as far as I know Behentrimonium Methosulfate (and) Cetearyl Alcohol is a complete emulsifier as well as Behentrimonium Methosulfate (and) Cetyl Alcohol (and) Butylene Glycol, unless they are listing the ingredients it separately.

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Cetearyl Alcohol (and) Ceteareth-20 looks more whiped/fluffy then Emu NF. As of the fealing in my opinion I would say its lighter not as waxier then the NF but not so silky either. Hope that helps.

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Banned ingredients in the EU over 1,300??? Wow that’s a lot.

I think the problem also comes from company’s probably not addressing some of these consumer issues or questions and just pleasing them by taking some ingredients out, sure there sales might suffer a bit but I mean maybe if they got the correct answer out of the proper people they would understand better.

Before I became a personal formulator I was in the shadows about the real information on Parabens, Sulfates and other ingredients that have been overly stigmatize, but I have taken the time over the years to read, so now a days even though I do avoid some ingredients like SLS I have a valid reason and its manly because if I use is it every single day it tends to dry out my curly hair so I alternate my washes with it, but most people don’t even now why they avoid some ingredients, they tend to repeat what they hear or read without researching that information from valid sources.  

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Great for your health @john lol! I try to stay away from fast-food, kind of hard though!

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True argument Perry.

Parabens are even found in our food, bet you most of them don’t care to look there. Bacteria is way more dangerous than a little preservative which is used at low levels. Some consumers care way to much about synthetic ingredients in there cosmetics, specially in there hair care products, yet what is more synthetic then a MacDonald’s burger?! And we eat those all the time.     

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lol true statement @Microformulation.

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I agree johnb people have been brainwashed, they tend to stigmatize some ingredients without the proper information just because they herd it or read it somewhere else not knowing the scientific point of view. Sadly some customers have become fanatics. This is why some of us formulaters tend to stay away from some ingredients. “The client is always right”.

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Thanks for all the intel johnb!