[jemolian]

I went for a company sponsored chatgpt training for marketing purposes. I find that it takes quite some refinements in my requirements to get the job done. I tested by asking for a skincare routine, it still took about more than 10 to 20+ times of refinement to get to what expect it to be.

It can probably help with the normal procedural or operational stuff but things that need specific requirements, its information would be limited, so we will need to know its limitations.

[jemolian]

Not a cosmetic chemist, but i was curious about its effects since i had it for some time, so i tested it at 0.1%, i find that it provides a soothing and slight exfoliating effect.

[jemolian]

I did my diploma with IPCS as a hobby. If possible, try to think outside of what they teach, kind of a school vs industry reality. What they teach can varies a lot from what is being done professionally because of the available equipment or formulations, it’s not like we can’t evolve from that. People will need to realize that their structured formulations isn’t the industry “bible”.

Their mentors have to follow their guidelines so they can be slightly ridged in their answer. For my assessment, sometimes even though i have another answer, i still try to follow the answer because of the guidelines, sometimes i try to add the screenshot proof for certain ingredients, if not i will have to redo the formulation for resubmission.

[jemolian]

https://realizebeauty.wordpress.com/2014/01/26/is-jojoba-oil-really-just-like-sebum/

Probably people will associate Squalane due to squalene. Though if just one plant oil is enough, then i’d assume there’s no point in a blend like L22?

[jemolian]

I took the IPCS diploma since i wanted to see what else i have missed out from learning by myself. I have a business degree, started DIY in 2018, and took the IPCS diploma in 2020. I consider it as learning new knowledge since i like to work on some hands on stuff.

If it’s specific information that you need, i’d recommend looking at the scope and what you will learn closely and do a comparison. The certificate in advanced cosmetic science should cover the modules for the preservation & stability, you can confirm with the module number. I can send you my version of the table of contents for the preservation & stability units if you wish to find out more. You can send me a PM.

I think it really depends on the style of learning & teaching. You can look at the sample videos or live streams related to the course to see if Belinda’s style fits your needs because it can vary based on personal preference.

As the others have mentioned, you should also compare the qualifications of the person who teaches or designed the course besides from the course material. Perry does also have this own course. I’ve not taken it myself but his course does also over the 2 aspects. So if you can request for the table of content for a comparison, i think it should help to a certain extent.

[jemolian]

Both might sting perhaps because it’s a shaven area, so it’s easily sensitizing.

Whether which is worse would also depend on the pH and also if it’s a rinse off / leave on product.

[jemolian]

We said micellar waters dont do anything miraculous to the skin so how can i differentiate myself from the rest?

You need to determine this yourself. What is your micellar water suppose to do. Based on usage recommendations, do you recommend it as a leave on product or require rinse off? If it’s fine to leave on, you can work on the other ingredients including extracts. If it’s a rinse off product, you can just work on the pricing or other aspects.

Is a micellar water water or oil based since it also has oil?

Micellar water is normally water based unless you want to make it a biphase product.

So this begs the question: is it possible to have a micellar water than remove in one go? And are micellar water a first or second step in a dsouble cleansing?

Adding more surfactants to increase the performance would help to remove whatever you need to remove better.

Whether micellar is a first or second step in double cleansing depends on what other cleansers you are using. For example:

• Cleansing Balm -> Micellar Water
• Micellar Water -> Surfactant Cleanser

[jemolian]

Some ingredients may not be able to be “one pot” as they may require longer processing in the specific phase, so always check and test if they can be one pot.

[jemolian]

Perhaps you can mention what your formula is.

The factors that can include the stability includes the percentage of emulsifier vs how much oil it can emulsify, any additional rheology modifier such as gum or carbomer used for thicken and aiding stability, additional of other co-emulsifying or waxes, etc.

[jemolian]

Found a mention about Betaine for Allantoin previous when searching for Salicylic Acid.

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@chemicalmatt good to know. Is there anywhere in particular where i can read more about BG ?

[jemolian]

It works as a humectant and may be a preservative booster in extracts. They are using it probably due to cost and availability. 

[jemolian]

Betaine would be more hydrating and provide a sight soothing effect compared to Trehalose. There’s not much skin feel to Trehalose, i feel. Both are fine to use, so it depends on preference and requirements. 

[jemolian]

You don’t really need to make it that complicated. Just 68+AVC will do, lol. If you think AVC is too rich, but you still prefer a thick viscosity, switch to the carbomer if you have any on hand. 

[jemolian]

You can add slightly more butters if you really prefer more creamy. Aristoflex will give it a thicker texture compared to other polymers so you can adjust accordingly. 

[jemolian]

Regarding the active, excipient, in active, functional terms, they are used by different people and ways to categorize the ingredients in the formulations. 

I’ve created an example of an anti inflammatory serum with treatment claims for reference. You can see how it can be categorized. 

[jemolian]

“Clean” beauty is not really regulated so you can claim it to be whatever you want. You can make it part of your brand concept but don’t make it it’s main one. 

Personally it just makes me roll me eyes, we are moving towards better ingredients regulations, but i’m really not impressed with brands making “clean” beauty it’s “personality”. 

If you have to choose, choose something more meaningful like local sourcing, sustainability, upcycling, etc. 

[jemolian]

It really depends on what kind of texture you prefer your butter or cream to be. 

I’d say 2.5% - 3% of a rich emulsifier (eg, 68) with 0.8% - 1% Aristoflex will do. 

[jemolian]

I use the 202 as well since i prefer a matte finish on the skin. I do also have the others and low cost emulsifiers but it really depends on what i want to make. 

For the polymers besides from the usual Sepinov, i will also use the ones from the Ultrez series since i don’t need to wait that long for them to wet compared to the classic 900+ carbomers series.  

[jemolian]

If i didn’t recall wrongly it’s Pemulen Ez-4u

[jemolian]

So here you say that some small crafters charge a low price and then when they see they dont make enough profit they increase that price correct? So what do you suggest here? To me what they should do is to account for all the costs involved in the manufacturing of their products : ingredients, primary and seconday packaging; stickers; filling and advertising.This is the TOTAL COST. To this total cost i will add MY MARGIN to get the RETAIL/SELLING PRICE correct? so this means i dont charge low to attract i charge i ” fair price” meaning a reasonable price that covers my expenses and a margin ill add to it. 

Yes.  However, “low price” is relative to spending and how you determine your margin or brand concept to be. Some brand prefer selling at the lower price, some at a higher price, it depends on the brand position. 

So here you mean if the retailer of a brand you import sets the MSRP at 100 usd; your selling/distribution price is between 25 and 45 dollars? 

Supply / distribution price between 25 - 45. 

lets say pharmacy sells at at say 100usd so you are asking me if i sell it at 30usd to them would i still be profitable, is this what you mean?

Mainly this. It’s already very straight forward in terms of what i was mentioning. 

I dont understand here again the numbers and the concept. Ok so lets say my retail price is 5usd, what is the distribution at 35% that you are talking about? Wait distribution price is applied only in the case of B2B right? Im confused a lot now. 

I’m not sure why you are confused. Putting your products in a store is a B2B move, whether it is by consignment or selling them your products, depending on the terms & conditions, there will be a required amount of profit / commission on their end, which will be directly or indirectly cost of the product. This is also applicable for other distribution routes like you are expanding your products to other regions via distribution, unless you are planning to open a company in those region yourself. 

[jemolian]

How will this help me? 

You will know when you see if for yourself. 

Oh you mean in my survey i should ask people where they search for cosmetics; is it on google, on facebook; on Instagram etc right? 

I believe i have mentioned that before. 

[jemolian]

Definitely, critical thinking of what has been taught is very important. I think the mentor you have been assigned is more flexible than mine but i’ve always assumed that since it’s a course then i should stick to the guidelines to get the grades that i need, lol.

[jemolian]

Hmm, how about Plantasens® LS6?

[jemolian]

I want the micellar water to be a leave on product but i read that leaving them on the skin can be problematic because surfactants will stay on the skin and this is not good.What do you think?

This is up to you. I’d prefer to rinse it off since i don’t really need to have additional surfactants and unremoved dirt on my face if i can use water to rinse it off more than what the cotton pad + micellar water can.

So if i want ti to be leave on does that mean i can add fancy ingredients to it such as hylarunocn acid and vitamic c.Also if its a leave on micellar water can it double as a toner then so pople can use it to remove makeup and to tone the skin?

This is up to you but i’d recommend just market it as a micellar water or a toner, there should only be 1 main focus, as it can be confusing for some people. You can market it with “toning” ingredients if you want if people choose to not rinse it off.

So is it possible to have a micellar water without using pads?

You should think if cleansing would be effective without the pads. Micellar water is a watery liquid, so is your hand able to handle it well enough?

If we put oil on our micellar water will it become a rinse off products? Cus i was reading now some micellar water which is actually a micellar oil and people said that they should rinse it off cus it has loil.so if it has oil does that mean we should rinse it off?

Whether it becomes a rinse off product depends on your recommendations. It depends on the function of the oil. The oil may act as a solvent for the makeup/spf or just for moisturizing purposes.

if its water based then it a second step in a double cleansing?

As mentioned, depending on previous comment, it depends on the other cleansing products if any.