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Thanks a lot Perry, I thought that vasline is soo stable versus oxidation.

So in bad condition of storage can just two months make vasline have oxidation ?

Then can vitamine or can you propose uv filter to solve the problem?

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Very nice answer from @ketchito

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Write full formulation for better answer.

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@chemicalmatt @Perry44 @Chemist77 @ketchito @Dirtnap1 which is the best alternative for hair wax cetearth 20,cetearth 25,ceteareth 30 or combination and why?

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For sure the ratio of sabowax AE is a secret however depending on your oil phase you can make your own successful emulsifiers combination that’s really easier and most important.

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On the top is it foam or liquid? Just try to add polysorbate (may 2%)

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Make élimination test : with making basic sample (sample without any white powders that you have) then divide your sample to samples “the number of white powders you have” . Then add to each sample just one type of powder and watch which powder causes that.

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I guess you can do it, almost liquid shampoo contains both cationic and anionic surfactants.

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May the add of polyquaternium and CAPB with reducing glucoside will give better product.

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The level of perfume is near to 0.8% I know that’s soo high but I must work sush level, then sush level is not the reason because with other fragrances with same level I reached very better viscosity. The level of sensicare c 1090 is 0.8% when you make researchement this preservative is effective for bacteria, fungicide and yeast, so why you supposed to add some fungicide?

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Thanks for the information about adding fragrance with low shear around the 40°C I didn’t know about it is the any explanation and better process for adding fragrance (lower temperature, other shear …).

I will do researchement about your in put, just because I should correct quickly I made just try one with ultrez 21 and other with carbopol 996. Ultrez 21 gave better result but for economical reason I made correction with carbomer 996.

When I find occasion I will try some others corrections with :Hec, Hpmc, parafin wax, Cetearyl alcohol…

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Thanks alot, so the list ingredients is:

Water, mpg, sabowax AE, ceteareth 20,gms,parafin oil, petrolatum, Cetearyl alcohol, edta, citric acid, sensicare c1090, perfume (which cause loosing viscosity) . I eliminated hot process because cream already cold now that’s why I did not go with wax, Cetearyl alcohol…

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For water based hair wax can sensicare 1090(phenoxyethanol +ethyl glycerin) do the job for good preservation? I then a combination of 0.8%phenoxyethanol +0.2 benzoate de sodium is it efficient for the same products.

If not increasing the level of phenoxyethanol +benzoate de sodium can lead to good preservation or did you recommend any adequate preservative for based hair pomade containing 30%of ceteareth 20?

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Thanks a lot for you precious answer. Actually i’am open to any good input whatever in thickener, conditioners and surfactants however can you explain me why you will not use any one from listed thickners?

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Can you please explain to me the reason of using each one glycerin, butyl glycol, peg40 ?

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I did know it before just a little bit of thinking ????: PHENYLBENZIMIDAZOLE SULFONIC ACID

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I suggest to make 1 kg sample then if you don’t find the problem I will go for that the cause is changing process from small sample to industrial one.

Changing process ( temperature, pressure,type of stiring, speed of stiring, order of adding ingredients…)

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Thanks a lot for the interesting reference, actually I never ask about references before I make efforts and researchement however I did not find any interesting ones. In may case I did not use any water soluble thickener however I found the same curve of viscosity said in your reference however I predict that in one very high speed stiring the curve will decrease and we will have same curve with salt curve.

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Thanks a lot, actually I found some articles talk about the relation between viscosity(level of oil, temperature of emulsion) and but I did not found good one which matches between viscosity and stiring speed and viscosity.

Just I watch that in hair gel when stiring is too high forgot how the day goes exact speed the viscosity of product decrease. For cream I watch that the viscosity of cream increase only, going from 0 tr/min to 2000 tr/min as string speed the emulsion started in 70 C.

Any reference for the relation between the viscosity of emulsion and the speed /time of stiring it will be exciting.

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Yes it is Cetrimonium chloride, it was just manual stiring for five minutes.

However today i found out new phenomenon that the time and the speed of stiring have a huge effect on the viscosity of emulsion so could you explain me more the phenomenon please?

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Yes it is hair conditioner and CATC is citramonium chloride.

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Soo surprised from the link so do you guess it is the same for Ceteareth-25? actually almost water based pomade contains more then 20%

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Thanks a lot for your comments.

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Thanks a lot for your suggestion, especially uv filtring packaging nice new information ????

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The level of cocoamide DEA is low near to 1% so I don’t go with your guess but maybe.