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  • What is, the best alternative for Aluminium chlorhydrate for dedorant?

    Posted by Fekher on June 2, 2024 at 10:16 am

    I find the most alternatives are:

    1)sodium bicarbonate but I just find food grade can it do the job then in general even cosmetic grade can it do the job and is it fine to make basic cream in skin?

    2) Zinc oxide will be good alternative?

    3) zinc pca in 3% level can do the job and the same level for zinc ricin oleate

    4)other powder as kaolin or bentonite, mais, strach

    5) Vegetables oils have antibacterial effect may as : castor oil, coconut oil, others

    6) Essential oil as: green tea tree, thym, lavander..

    7)Magnesium hydroxide others…

    Fekher replied 1 month ago 4 Members · 13 Replies
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  • PhilGeis

    June 2, 2024 at 12:15 pm

    Aluminum chlorhydrate and related monograph monograph actives are antiperspirants - not deodorants. Not aware any of options named above would be functional and certain none would be legally used to support antiperspirant claim in US.

    For product claiming “deodorant” - you can use anything (or nothing) but in US not Aluminum chlorhydrate and related monograph actives.

    • Fekher

      June 2, 2024 at 4:47 pm

      The definition seems more correct that antitranspirant is product wich block transpirtation from skin in practice aluminium chlorohydrate doesn’t.

  • Graillotion

    June 2, 2024 at 3:55 pm

    As mentioned,…you have come out of the gate with a conflicting statement. Deo’s do not contain aluminum.

    When I steer people in the direction, they need to go…. I start with…. having them list the issues they are trying to address….and then across from the issues…. listing a solution. Otherwise, you just fall into the horrible mommy-blogger potions…that wreck your skin and clothing, and you still stink.

    Secondly….there are two thought processes involved….do I want to wreck my skin and acid mantle, and use high pH ingredients? Or do I want to take a more skin friendly approach and use lower pH ingredients. All components of the product must work together for the common goal (pH). You cannot pick and choose some high pH ingredients and some low, you must pick a theme and stick with it. Keep in mind….even an anhydrous product will create a pH once it is applied to skin. I think beginners forget this.

    Note: Even considering Baking soda is a strong indication you do not understand skin and its pH. 😉

    You listed 3 forms of Zinc, two are anti-microbial, and one is not, but is purported to ‘catch’ odor. Zinc PCA should be the most effective, granted I have never used a zinc in a deo (which means I view that there are much better ways to get said job done).

    Adding vegetables oils….that is 100% mommy blogger lore. When you go back to your list of what the issues are…you will notice you wrote….’Sweating’. Adding an occlusive ingredient will only make this worse…. You should also notice….you did not write vegetable oils in your solution column. Coconut oil is the worst mommy blogger scam lore I have ever seen. They have no concept of science, and since they have heard that lauric acid is antimicrobial, they think it will help in a deo. NO! All you have to do is apply that grossness to your pits for a day….and you will understand. When lauric acid is bound in a triglyceride (aka coconut oil), it no longer has the same effect as free lauric acid. If you want the punch of lauric acid…you add monolaurin….NOT coconut oil… That is a lose lose…on every level. Note for extra credit…. Some really low-quality coconut oil will have a small amount of free lauric acid…because the coconuts were allowed to rot, before processing (yes fermentation is one way to break the triglyceride bond).

    Essential oils at the rates they can be safely applied to skin, are weak anti-microbials, and often an irritant. Irritants are exacerbated when skin rubs on skin all day.

    So….if you put an insoluble powder in your product….where is it gonna end up???? Do you want it there? Addition of insoluble powders is generally a result of making earlier formulation errors, like putting grease in the product. Skip the first error, and you can skip the second error. 🙂

    So go back to your list of concerns… and focus on ingredients that are truly anti-microbial (I gave you one), and make sure you nail that. Then work on the other aspects on your list. Memba…if you add powders to sop things up….and your formula is full of grease….all the sopping it can do…..is already done!

    Good luck.

    • Fekher

      June 2, 2024 at 4:58 pm

      I see professional formulation that contains zinc pca, zinc oxide and zinc ricin oleate.

      Castor oil seems for can have some effective job because zinc ricin oleate is already a drevative from him.

      I’am working for cream product so solubility is not a problem. And blogger for me as professional are not a reference however I can find some professionals formulation wich contains baking soda, corn strach, titanium oxide and coconut oil

      For the proverb, that’s why i’am here to hear from 10000 experts 😉

      • Graillotion

        June 2, 2024 at 5:40 pm

        There are not 10,000 experts.

        Some of the ingredients you listed…are NOT soluble in either water or oil (aka: cream). 😉

        What you consider ‘professional’ and what I consider professional….are probably very different. As I tell the beginners over and over…. sales does NOT translate to expertise!!!

        • Fekher

          June 3, 2024 at 2:21 am

          I’am Just joking by 10,000 experts, about cream I meant even it is not hydro-liposoluble actif as zinc oxide it will be not problem by suspension with adequate viscosity.

          • Graillotion

            June 3, 2024 at 2:57 am

            You have missed my point…. completely. Insoluble powders transfer to dark clothing…. simply an inexcusable mess…. Especially considering the jobs they do…can be done better…with ingredients that don’t preclude you from wearing anything but white. 😉

            Well, good luck with your project. Over and Out.

      • Graillotion

        June 2, 2024 at 6:14 pm

        Um….if you think Zinc Ricinolate is anti-microbial….you misunderstood the ingredient. My comment about two of the three being anti-microbial…..excluded the Zinc Ricinolate. Not to say it doesn’t do something in deo….it does…. just now what the other forms of Zinc do.

        A good deo…has many aspects….modes of action.

      • PhilGeis

        June 3, 2024 at 4:10 am

        For a deodorant. The claim is not regulated - they can use what they want without the burden of efficacy.

        • Fekher

          June 4, 2024 at 3:22 pm

          I guess almost cosmetic is.

  • dermanator

    June 14, 2024 at 3:49 pm

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    • Fekher

      June 15, 2024 at 5:35 am

      Thanks a lot for sharing.

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