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@Pharma thanks 
@PhilGeis which microbes grow in Shampoo most?

The ingredients are surfactants, polyquaternium 10, essential oil, NACL, and Amodimethicone in near future. 

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Perry said:

You have to understand that terms like Night Cream and Day Cream are marketing terms. There is no scientific definition. It’s just defined by what people expect. 

Cyclomethicone is added to ingredients to get the benefits of silicone (shine, slickness, smoothness) without the downside of building up on hair. In skin products it can make the product feel lighter than say a dimethicone I suppose but it takes enough time that you might not notice that over time.

I doubt you would see much benefit if you’re already using high end emollients.

When it doesn’t stay in hair like dimethicone does, will it’s effects like shine, slickness, smoothness remain there when all Cyclomethicone has evaporated? 

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I was also trying to make gentle shampoo with APG but it was not gentle and not effective. As @Perry suggested i used SLES, CAPB and polyquaternium 10. Now i am selling it and it is the mildest Shampoo available where i live. Thanks Perry. 

At What ratio AOS/CAPB are you using and can it be thickened with sodium chloride? 

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EDTA and citric acid is not compatible with cationics. I haven’t used BTMC but it may not be compatible too. 
Check it your self.
Add some SPDMA and EDTA in water and heat, it will form salt and you will not be able to dissolve that salt no matter what. 

My suggestion is this

SPDMA   %1
BTMC     %1
Dimethicone %1
Cetearyl alcohol  %6
Preservative

Fragrance

Adjust pH with lactic acid or another acid

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What is this product? Cream or hair conditioner?

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In my experience Stearamidopropyl dimethylamine is not compatible with EDTA and citric acid. They form insoluble salt. 
Check these one by one and see if they are compatible

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@Perry thanks ????

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@Pharma so a treatment with (P < 0.01) is better than (P < 0.05). Am i correct? 

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Do you have fatty alcohol in your inventory?

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Yeah @ozgirl is right.

Never use such product. Lauryl Glucoside as primary surfactant doesn’t foam, doesn’t clean the hair and make it very dry in pH 5-6. At very high pH it will be worse

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Thanks

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Thanks @MetalizeMerz

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@singhc10 thanks

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@PhilGeis may i ask why you don’t like DHA? 

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Use %1 glyceryl caprylate, %0.1 caprylhydroxamic acid, %0.1 EDTA or other chelating agent.

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Congratulations

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@chemicalmatt thanks a lot

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@Sponge mine is 200ml Shampoo bottle and 80ml lotion tube

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It should thicken with salt

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Adjust your percentages. They don’t equal 100ml or 150ml.

These ingredients at these amounts work fine. Have you tried them?
Was there any problem? 

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@Pattsi thanks ????

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@Benz3ne thanks

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chemicalmatt said:

The condensate was bound to happen inside a closed system heated by the sun and a little water exit post-freezing is not unusual. Add a little glycol either BG or PG and you may see that disappear.

Will glycerin help with this situation?

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@LincsChemist today i did use EDTA with SPDMA and it formed insoluble salt before adding other ingredients. 

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 I use the word success very loosely though haha.

Good idea
Thanks