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@Cafe33 thanks a lot. 
Yeah the only part that my retailers suggest us is to improve the packaging and design too.

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People don’t care if it is SLS or sarcosinate. Look what does the shampoo that most people use have. SLS.

This mean most people don’t care about SLS. 

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@jemolian thanks

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Thanks Perry

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Thanks @Svemirska_baklava

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@Svemirska_baklava thanks a lot.

Can i ask why 21 days? 

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Perry said:

@Abdullah - Mildness is subjective. When I first worked on the VO5 line the product was about 10% SLS and 1% SLES. We used Lauramide DEA but that didn’t have much impact on “mildness.” However, compared to a baby shampoo it certainly wasn’t mild. I think a 50:50 ratio would be fine for most people.

@p@Perry can i ask why were they using 1% SLES with 10% SLS? 
I mean what was that 1% SLES adding to 10% SLS formula? 

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luiscuevasii said:

Formaldehide.

We have no restrictions, so, in our country drinking water also contains formaldehide.

Less than 1$/kg, and works like a charm.@luiscuevasii

Do you use formalin or a formaldehyde releaser and at what percentage?

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@zetein Draize test shows the mildness to eye not skin according to google search ????

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@zetein maybe sodium is milder for eye and ammonium is milder for skin. 

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@amitvedakar thanks

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@Perry i will change my device and see. I currently use mobile phone ????.

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@PhilGeis i want to get idea that what are the most sold products writing on their label. 

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@Perry maybe some people don’t notice but some will if the data shows they are milder. I will go for ALS to replace SLS in my shampoo. 

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@chemicalmatt interestingly even ALS when combined with CAPB is milder than SLES.

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it is completely fine at low pH even with AHA pH <4.

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There are patents that show they have niacinamide at pH 4 and below. You can check them.

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As @em88 said foldable label looks good. 
You can also use two or more labels on bottom or side of jar with a hint to show the consumer that there are more labels if they want to read.

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this data from another supplier shows zein value of CAPB is 100. does it mean that Galfusion mild blend it 10 times milder than CAPB in zein value?

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The product itself also has 80% water if it needs it

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@Pharma shampoo and body wash

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@Pharma which type of emulsion is better? Micelle or inverse micelle? 

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@Perry at target the photo is low quality and the text in back of bottle is not readable in most of products. 
Ultra and Sephora don’t show the back of the bottle. 

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@Pharma that is good. 

Some more questions ????

1. If we pass the salt curve and extra salt decrease the viscosity, does it mean it is reducing the micelle size?

2. If we add salt to surfactant system with some decyl Glucoside and the salt doesn’t increase the viscosity, does it mean the salt isn’t increasing the micelle size in this system or it is increasing the micelle size but not viscosity?

For example, SLES, CAPB, decyl Glucoside at 10/1/2 active surfactant, salt doesn’t increase the viscosity. Does it mean it doesn’t increase the micelle size?

3. Does increasing the micelle size reduce the irritation of shampoo or increase it?