Home Cosmetic Science Talk Formulating Is DMDM hydantoin safe for baby products?

  • paprik

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    September 27, 2021 at 2:22 am

    I’ve looked at many Datasheets now and it seems there are limitations. 

    Also found this:

    However, personally, I would only use it in wash off formulas. And definitely not on body leave-on products. But that’s my opinion. :) 

  • abdullah

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    September 27, 2021 at 11:40 am

    @Paprik thanks 
    This data shows they are safe

  • oldperry

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    September 27, 2021 at 1:09 pm

    Yes, they are safe if used within proper limits. The only reason it is avoided is for marketing considerations.

  • paprik

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    September 27, 2021 at 6:09 pm

    I’ve just read my comment and  I didn’t write what I thought I did. I wanted to say : there are not many limitations. And that is why I’ve included the pic :D Sorry for the confusion. 

  • markbroussard

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    September 27, 2021 at 11:07 pm

    The problem you’re going to have with DMDM is resistance from the consumer and distrubtion channels.

  • abdullah

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    September 28, 2021 at 1:33 am

    @Perry thanks 
    @Paprik i got your point at first 👍

    @@MarkBroussard consumers here here don’t care about the ingredients list. Companies here use formalin. 
  • markbroussard

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    September 28, 2021 at 2:19 am

    @Abdullah … well, if that’s the market environment in which you sell product, then you don’t have the issue of consumer/retailer channel resistance, so just use it at safe levels. 

  • abdullah

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    September 28, 2021 at 2:35 am

    @MarkBroussard thanks 
    I currently use 0.9% phenoxyethanol +0.1% caprylyl Glycol +0.2% EDTA in shampoo. The only problem is that it reduces the viscosity.
     What percentage of active DMDM hydantoin in combination with what preservative do you recommend?

    I have phenoxyethanol, caprylyl Glycol, glyceryl Caprylate, caprylhydroxamic acid and Piroctone Olamine. 

  • markbroussard

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    September 28, 2021 at 3:03 am

    I don’t use DMDM, so I can’t advise you there.  Given your list, I assume you’re making a Shampoo … you might try Phenoxyethanol + Caprylhydroxamic Acid … I don’t think that combination would reduce the viscosity of your shampoo.

  • oldperry

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    September 28, 2021 at 3:23 am

    We used 55% DMDM Hydantoin at 0.2% (so 0.11% active) in a shampoo

  • abdullah

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    September 28, 2021 at 3:34 am

    @MarkBroussard thanks 
    Interestingly when i use glyceryl Caprylate in shampoo it increases the viscosity dramatically.

    I will try this blend and see what happens

  • abdullah

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    September 28, 2021 at 3:36 am

    @Perry 0.2% DMDM hydantoin alone or with another preservative? 

  • PhilGeis

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    September 28, 2021 at 1:17 pm

    With benzoate

  • abdullah

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    September 29, 2021 at 1:38 pm

    @PhilGeis what percentage? 

  • oldperry

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    September 29, 2021 at 2:10 pm

    We had used it with Methylparaben but eventually just used the DMDM Hydantoin alone. Although we also had Disodium EDTA as a chelating agent and kept pH around 5.0

  • abdullah

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    September 30, 2021 at 1:23 am

    @Perry thanks 
    What percentage of methyl Paraben with it? 

    A quick search in Google, vo5 is the only shampoo that is using DMDM hydantoin alone. 

  • PhilGeis

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    October 1, 2021 at 9:47 am

    Methyl - 0.2%.   
     In theory, Gram negatives are the risk for shampoos so DMDM Hydantoin alone with EDTA would seem to be enough.  In practice, combination with another increases protection vs. Gram negative  adaptation and is a much better system.

  • oldperry

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    October 1, 2021 at 12:49 pm

    Yes, when I first started we used a combination of DMDM Hydantoin and Methylparaben in our shampoos. It was a cost savings project that demonstrated we didn’t need the methylparaben based on our manufacturing conditions.

  • abdullah

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    October 2, 2021 at 2:12 am

    @Perry @PhilGeis thanks a lot

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