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    Posted by Heath0o7 on April 4, 2024 at 4:30 am

    Hi all,

    I was wondering if you could help me understand what type of bacteria (gram +/-) and YMF this preservative would be effective against? The preservative is Triethyl Citrate (and) Caprylyl Glycol (and) Benzoic Acid.

    I understand that Benzoic Acid is effective against yeast and mold. However, what is Triethyl Citrate effective against?

    @PhilGeis @Graillotion

    PhilGeis replied 3 weeks, 4 days ago 2 Members · 8 Replies
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  • PhilGeis

    Member
    April 4, 2024 at 5:17 am

    Not much

    • Heath0o7

      Member
      April 4, 2024 at 5:41 am

      So it’s only the Benzoic Acid that’s doing the preserving?

      If that’s the case can this preservative be used instead of this: Sodium Benzoate (and) Potassium Sorbate (and) Aqua to cover YMF? Or is the latter way better

      • PhilGeis

        Member
        April 4, 2024 at 6:29 am

        Can’t offer comment to that without context - product, pH, other preservatives.

        • Heath0o7

          Member
          April 6, 2024 at 4:06 am

          Sure, if I was to make a facial Cleanser and want the pH to be 4-5 and I’m using phenoxyethanol (and) Ethylhexylglycerin as one of my Preservatives. Now, I want to use another preservative to cover YMF. Would it be fine to use either Sodium benzoate & Potassium Sorbate, or Triethyl Citrate, Caprylyl Glycol & benzoic acid? Hope this clarifies it.

          • PhilGeis

            Member
            April 6, 2024 at 5:39 am

            Organic acid(s) prob ok for y/m. I’d also add a chelator?

            Please challenge test.

            • Heath0o7

              Member
              April 6, 2024 at 8:11 am

              Cool, yeah I usually add GLDA as its the only chelator I have.

              I wanted to check if it’s true that Sodium Benzoate & Potassium Sorbate are effective against fungi? I read that on sciencedirect and also NCBI website I think.

            • PhilGeis

              Member
              April 6, 2024 at 8:25 am

              They should be with right pH. Added as salts. I prefer just benzoate - sorbic acid stability can be troublesome.

            • PhilGeis

              Member
              April 6, 2024 at 8:30 am

              And not aware of a legal version or sorbate for US household products. Legal (EPA registered) benzoate can be obtained from Emerald Kamala (Lanxess).

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