Home Cosmetic Science Talk Formulating can serum be saved?

  • can serum be saved?

    Posted by mmarr on February 15, 2024 at 7:51 pm

    Hi, i would like to ask an opinoin if there is any chance separated water gel serum be saved or rework?

    Anyone had deal with this kind of problem? thank you

    mmarr replied 2 months, 1 week ago 4 Members · 8 Replies
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  • jemolian

    Member
    February 15, 2024 at 11:02 pm

    Depends on the reason.

    • mmarr

      Member
      February 16, 2024 at 1:09 am

      we suspected it during processing. maybe not enough time for thickener and active bind together. not sure if it right

  • Perry44

    Administrator
    February 16, 2024 at 8:42 am

    It might be possible but it also depends on what ingredients are in the formula.

    • mmarr

      Member
      February 18, 2024 at 6:19 pm

      there are only water soluble active, they only thing i susppected is either the process or do you think fragrance can cause instability? we put 0.1% only. we do have carbomer as thickener and EGMS as pearlizer/co emulsifier.

      • Perry44

        Administrator
        February 19, 2024 at 12:13 pm

        Sure, the fragrance can cause separation. Also, if you have high electrolyte levels that can break the carbomer structure and cause separation.

        • mmarr

          Member
          February 21, 2024 at 2:56 am

          ohh thank you, btw is glycol stearate can cause instability? as far as i know, it usually can act as co emulsifier.

  • Microformulation

    Member
    February 16, 2024 at 11:27 am

    There are many factors and it comes down to Process Engineering.

    Is the Formula stable to begin with as demonstrated through stability testing? In an effective organization, this would be a yes.

    What incipients may need to be added to fix the product, how does your QA Program address this change, and will it make your labeling inaccurate? Anecdotally I once saw someone add an unmeasured and unclaimed amount of Sepigel 305 (laughingly called the “batchmasters friend”) into a batch which I then refused to clear from QA/QC Hold.

    Multiple other issues you can identify that may be process-related or plant specific.

    In the end, be conservative. In the end, you need to weigh any issues of noncompliance over any fungible losses.

    • mmarr

      Member
      February 18, 2024 at 6:24 pm

      we are trying to figure out the root of the problem. is it really the formulation unstable or processing. cause when we did in small batches in lab, apparently, no issue.

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