OldPerry
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Sure, I understand your point and agree synthetics feel better. But soap does actually work to clean your face whereas other pre-science treatments didn’t work for the claimed purpose. (e.g. bloodletting)
What would be the end result of decades of washing your face with saponified soap and water?
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Some great questions!
Comments on the sunscreen question… @Pattsi
I’m not anti-sunscreen or anything like that. And I do believe that sunscreens work to protect people from damage of UV radiation (both from a skin aging standpoint and a skin cancer standpoint). However, I just wonder how much does it really help. Skin will age whether you use sunscreen or not. People get skin cancer on parts of their body that don’t get sun exposure. So, how much is it really helping.Imagine two different scenarios.
1. Person A religiously puts sunscreen on every day.
2. Person B puts sunscreen on when they go to the beach or when they may be out in the sun a long time. But they often just skip it.After 50 years of each person following this behavior, what will be the difference?
And on the cleaners question… @MarkBroussard
Why not use high pH cleansers on the face? Before the invention of synthetic detergents, soap was the only thing available for cleaning the face. What would be the end result of decades of washing your face with saponified soap and water? -
@Abdullah - I suspect the colloidal oatmeal makes no difference
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How do you mix the formula? If you are using a center stir mixer you should go at a slow enough pace to not pull air into the system. If you are using a hand blender…well, don’t use a hand blender.
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How much you use depends on what other ingredients are in the gel.
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1. Add up all the gram amounts to get a total # of grams. Call it T
2. To get percentage, take the gram amount of an ingredient and divide it by the Total grams. (then multiply by 100)So, if you have a formula that is 200g total.
And one of the component materials is 10g.
The percentage of that ingredient in the formula is = 10g/200g = 0.05 x 100 = 5% -
Yes, the opposite is true. SLES is theoretically more mild than SLS. Although you can make a mild formula with either.
But it does demonstrate that not everything you read on the Internet is true.
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This is an interesting question. I’m only referring to the rules in the US as set forth by the FDA.
By the FDA legal definition of cosmetics they are only supposed to be products that are “applied to the human body…for cleansing, beautifying, promoting attractiveness, or altering the appearance.” They are not supposed to work as drugs meaning they should not “affect the structure or any function of the body of (people)“.
Whether a product is a drug or a cosmetic depends largely on its intended use. And intended use is determined in three different ways.
1. Claims made by the product - If you make a drug claim (like prevents inflammation or stimulate collagen production) then the product is a drug.
2. Consumer perception of the product - even if you don’t make a claim about your product, if there is a general consumer perception that the product is a drug, then it’s a drug. This can be found out by asking consumers what they expect a product to do.
3. Product includes an ingredient with a well-known therapeutic use. So, for example you can’t include sunscreens in your lotion and not label it as a sunscreen.
Based on these guidelines, you can’t make any drug claims.
But also, you can’t even imply your product is going to have a drug effect.
And even if you don’t do that, if the consumer thinks your product is going to work like a drug, then it is also illegal.Maybe essential oils (or more specifically chemical components of the essential oil) have drug effects. If they do, unless you are going to file an NDA (new drug application), it doesn’t seem like it would be legal to sell the product.
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Anything can be contaminated with carcinogens. That doesn’t mean they are. Just having the syllable “-eth” in an ingredient name does not mean the product causes cancer. Sodium Cocoyl Isethionate is safe to use in cosmetics. See the safety report on it.
No, “methyl” does not mean ethoxylated. Methyl means -CH3
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Yes. Just because two ingredients have the same name does not mean they are identical in composition. Often there are residual ingredients present in one that isn’t in the other. Or they have different fatty acid chain distributions.
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Ah yes, I forgot about the benzene in soft drinks controversy.
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@PhilGeis - this was my first question too. Also, if you went through and tested all personal care products, how much benzene would you find?
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What is your manufacturing procedure?
What type of mixer are you using?
Probably you are drawing too much air in the product when you make it. -
I worked on…
1. Condom in a soap bar (sex doesn’t have to be dirty!)
2. Weight loss lotion. Used aromatherapy to make you not hungry. -
Thank you! I hope your family is well too. The vaccination efforts in the US seem to be starting to have an effect. Many more places are opening up.
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@prow18 - I used it. But it was at a low level relative to the Cetrimonium Chloride in my formula (rinse off). That’s because Cetrimonium Chloride was much less expensive and worked better.
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Honeyquat has been around since before 2001. It never really took off as an impressive ingredient. We used it as a claims ingredient only.
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I don’t believe there is a general answer that applies to all systems. Yes, you can reheat, remix, add more, and cool to some systems. No, you can’t do it for other systems. It also may work but turn out differently or it may work and turn out the same. Specific emulsions are complicated systems.
I will add that the company I worked for would occasionally “save” manufacturing batches following this method. But it required us to do stability testing before they could release the batch.
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Naturally derived would be better.
I suspect that people in the natural segment would find honeyquat acceptable.
However, it looks like Lonza stopped producing it. So, perhaps it is not the best choice to base your product on. -
The answer depends a bit on how much of the ingredients are in there but I’ll venture to guess.
1. Too sticky - The following things make it sticky if you use too much. Aloe, Marshmallow root, flaxseed.
2. Separating - you are trying to mix oils and water without a suitable emulsification system.
In truth, this formula has way too many ingredients. When you make a formula you should start with as few ingredients as you can to make a viable product. Why, for example, are you adding both sunflower oil and soybean oil? They have overlapping fatty acid compositions. That means if you used only one of them there would be no difference in your product. From a functional standpoint, those oils are all pretty much the same. Start with one or two that are the most different.
Keep it simple. Simple means as few ingredients as you can use to get the performance you want.
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Can you explain what you mean by fingerprinting? Are you referring to leaving oily prints on whatever surface you touch (e.g. phone screen)?
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Abdullah said:My suggestion is if you add an option to bookmark or star post’s by others that we like or specific comment on their post’s and be able to find them later easily, that would be very helpful.
Hello - If you look at the top right corner of the start of a post there is a Star icon. If you want to bookmark a discussion, just click the star.
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@ngarayeva001 - ah yes, the vitamin E preservative nonsense. ugh.
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@RedCoast - yes, I think a lot of stuff you see about making cosmetics online is adaptations of food making.
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@Graillotion - lol!