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Have you considered adding some water to your formula? Water is added at some level to most perfumes. It’s slower evaporation rate (when compared with ethanol) might give you the result you need.
Is 10% glycerin sticky when it dries?
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Nobody will just give you a formulation you will need to do some research yourself.
This product looks like a standard bleach (sodium hypochlorite) based mold cleaner. You can find similar formulations on UL Prospector or similar websites. Also try suppliers websites like Stepan for starting formulations.
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That is first time I had heard of organic stabilizer ????. The Helianthus Annuss seed is sunflower seed not Arnica. ????
I once had a Garnier product that listed ROPYLENE GLYCOL in the ingredients. The proof reading team must have been on holidays that week.
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Keep your Coconut oil, BTMS and Cetyl alcohol for your conditioner.
Conditioning shampoos usually use polyquats or silicone derivatives to provide conditioning / moisturising.
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If you have access to a UV spectrophotometer you can check if your bottles contain the UV blocking additive. Run a scan on a piece of one of the UV additive bottles and compare that to a standard bottle. You will see a difference in the UV region of the spectrum.
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They would definitely have some liability over the products they sell for example if it was later found to be toxic or a carcinogen at the levels they recommended for use but as for liability for it not working as a preservative I don’t think that they would have any liability.
There are so many variables that go into properly preserving a product that it would be almost impossible to prove that the preservative was the cause of a contaminated product.
If the manufacturer could show that the product does work as a preservative in their example formulas and under the conditions they describe in their literature then that would remove their liability.
Even if you used their example formula you would have different suppliers and manufacturing conditions which could impact preservation. This is why it is important to do preservative efficacy testing on our own formulas and to also treat raw material suppliers data with a reasonable degree of skepticism.
PS- I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on television ????
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This ingredients list is definitely not in the correct format.
It is very likely they left out some ingredients to sound better.
I wouldn’t use this product. If they can’t learn how to label their product correctly, they probably have no idea of GMP or product safety either. ????
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Ask your supplier. If they do this testing they should be able to provide you with this information. If they don’t test for these ingredients you will need to have the raw materials tested yourself at an accredited laboratory.
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You can buy tamper resistant pump spray heads where the plastic ring separates if the spray head is removed from the bottle.
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They are all available at Trulux (in Australia). Trulux do ship internationally so this might be an option if you can’t find them locally although the cost of shipping will probably make it expensive.
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Giving your country or location will help people give better responses.
Try looking for second hand equipment especially for a viscometer you can usually find places that sell /auction used equipment when manufacturing facilities close down.
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I agree that they don’t really want your business. I would ask for more information regarding the pricing perhaps they have just made a mistake and that is the price for the entire batch.
Are you using any extremely expensive essential oils at high percentage?
Do they stock the raw materials? Or does this include the price of them ordering in every raw material that you will need? Most raw materials you will need to buy a 200LT drum as MOQ and for some raw materials it could be a pallet as MOQ or higher. For example if they need to order in a 200LT drum of a raw material at $10/kg ($2000 per drum) then they might be just charging you for the whole drum even if they only need to use 1 kg of the raw material in your formula.
I would ask more questions as this does seem excessive.
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We got our stability oven / incubator from one of these types of auctions over 10 years ago and it is still going strong.
Just make sure that the maximum temperature of the incubator is a bit higher than the temperature you want to set it at.
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Ingredients derived from Coconut Oil - OK ✔
Contains Coconut Oil - Not OK ✖
Most consumers wouldn’t care.
Alternatively just add a small amount of coconut oil to the formula (e.g. 0.05%)
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Is Euxyl PE 9010 Ecocert approved? I thought Phenoxyethanol was not approved for Ecocert. This may have changed since I last checked.
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Happy Birthday Perry! ????
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This brochure has some useful information about Stokes Law and working with pearlescents.
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Use a preservative. Your product will be exposed to water during use.
I have seen BTMS used succesfully in shampoo bars as there is little interaction between the components in the solid state. You could also swap it out with a polyquat or other conditioning agent that is more compatible with anionics.
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What ingredient are you using at that high of a percentage? I am assuming that you are using some sort of botanical extract that can’t be heated.
I would suggest reducing this ingredient and increasing your water because you are probably not getting any noticeable benefit from such high levels and are probably just wasting money.
If you share your formula you can get more help.
The other option is to just use a cold process emulsifier.
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I did read it all but it got a little bit confusing. So I tried to provide some information.
You are correct that cetearyl alcohol isn’t an emulsifier but the remainder of the bar is usually 60 to 80% surfactants (e.g. SCI, SLS, SCS and SLSA) which act as emulsifiers for the oils during use. It is my understanding that because there is no (or little) water in these bars that you aren’t making an emulsion during manufacture, it is just a blend of ingredients until you start using it. At the point of use when water is added if there are oils present then the emulsion is created. You could compare it to something like a bath bomb where there is no interaction between the ingredients before it is used.
BTMS is usually only added for conditioning so it can easily be left out or swapped for another conditioner.
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Let’s hope the Pine Extract is adulterated with parabens or other real preservatives like some of these other natural preservatives. ????
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@mikethair you are referring to a saponified soap based hair shampoo bar rather than a syndet shampoo bar which the OP is making. We are talking about two different things. I understand that there is some level of superfatting (excess oil) in soap based bars but if you have too high of a level of oil even in soap based bars there will be some reduction in foaming. In the OP’s original post the oil level was 30% compared to only 50% surfactant which may inhibit foaming.
We might have to agree to disagree on this one. ????
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@mikethair The oils in this bar are not being saponified they are being added as some form of “conditioning”. All oils do in a syndet shampoo bar is reduce the foaming and cleaning ability of the bar.
I prefer syndet shampoo bars with no oils and to save the oils for the conditioner.