MarkBroussard
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Your best bet is to just use one of the Bentone Gels from Elementis Specialties which are dispersions of hectorite and propylene carbonate in a variety of solvents: For instance, Cyclopentsiloxane, Stearalkonium Rectorate & Propylene Carbonate is one of their products.
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What is the pH of your final formulation? BA-DHA is good up to pH 7.0, but I would not use it alone at a pH above 6.0. I always beef it up with additional fungicide. The product is mostly BA (87%) and about 8% DHA … balance is water.
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It’s a good preservative, but a bit weak on mold … beef it up by adding some Sodium Benzoate at 0.4% to 0.5% … so your preservative actually becomes:
Benzyl Alcohol, Sodium Benzoate, Dehydroacetic Acid.
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I have several close friends from China, so I have some insight into how they think … and, fundamentally, they simply don’t care about regulations. Make it as cheap as possible and put whatever you can get away with on the label to pass muster to get to market.
I once had a client who “had this great supplier in China” where she was purchasing raw ingredients … she gave me samples to work with … I don’t know what was in those sample jars, but it certainly was not what was claimed and you simply could not formulate with the samples.
There is good reason that I never, ever buy ingredients from Chinese suppliers.
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Actually, it is not correct to state that whether a product is a cosmetic is determined solely by its intended use.
Case in point: Salicylic Acid … it’s a Monograph OTC drug ingredient at up to 2% for acne. If one includes Salicylic Acid at 1% in a face cream product and claims it’s a cosmetic, that company would then benefit from the inclusion of an OTC drug active in a cosmetic without having to register their product with the FDA and manufacture it in OTC registered manufacturing plants. So, they benefit from lower cost and regulatory compliance issues giving them an advantage over OTC acne product manufacturers who must comply with those more stringent regulations.
That is why the FDA has categories where a product can be classified as both a cosmetic and a drug. You many intend that your face cream with Salicylic Acid is just a cosmetic since you don’t make acne claims, but it will perform exactly the same as an OTC face cream with the same % of Salicylic Acid in it.
Including an OTC drug active in a product and then trying to claim that it’s a cosmetic because you don’t make drug claims is a violation of regulations … plain and simple. There’s no skirting the issue.
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Again, you’re treading on thin ice. You can use straight-up Salicylic Acid if it is part of a preservative. But, using straight Salicylic Acid at 0.5%, you’re probably falling into the dual drug/cosmetic category. If you’re going to use SA, make certain it is below 0.5% and best if it is included as part of a preservative blend. Don’t just throw in SA at less than 0.5% and think you’re in the clear.
I think your statement “if we use salicylic acid less than 0.5%, it’s definitely a cosmetics is not correct. The Monograph is SA up to 2.0% is considered a drug.
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Yes, there are actually two natural surfactants that I work with, one of them is NOP certified and, as Christopher pointed out, one is from the Soapnut Tree that has been used for centuries in South America.
If you want a really good natural foamer take a look at Sodium Cocoyl Apple Amino Acids.
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Kind of ironic that your deodorant sweats
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You’ll get the best results with Olivem 1000 if you pair it with Glyceryl Stearate, Xanthan Gum and Cetyl Alcohol. I think your major problem is that you just are not using enough Olivem 1000 … try bumping up to 4%.
If you want to use Carbomer … Carpool Ultrez 21 is much simpler to work with.
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Do you know if your CBD is derived from Industrial Hemp or is it derived from Medicinal Marijuana Hemp?
If the latter, do you have a THC assay on the CBD you plan on using?
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You might also give dimethyl isosorbide a shot.
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Then change your surfactants … use non-ionics. The picture of the label you sent is of no help … it does not list the ingredients in the product.
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This might help you: https://www.google.com/patents/US5925679
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What you’re showing is not a solid, but a very viscous gel. When you say “polymers” in your formulation … what polymers are you using?
Sounds like Carbomer might get you where you want to be.
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Your first problem is that you are not using enough Olivem 1000 … You’ll need 6% to 8%. It also is best if you include 0.3% Xanthan Gum when formulating with Olivem 1000. In addition to the Glyceryl Stearate, you’re going to need approximately 1% to 2% Cetyl Alcohol to thicken it up. It can be a tricky emulsifier to work with.
If you used a homogenizer, that would be much better. Just stir continuously … when the temp reaches 50C or so, it will form a stable cream. I think your thinning under 40C is due to either not enough Olive 1000, that you don’t have a thickener (Cetyl Alcohol or Cetearyl Alcohol) to begin with or perhaps you are adding heat sensitive ingredients at that point that thin the emulsion … something with Caprylyl Glycol in it, for instance.
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Those are sample formulations to highlight their ingredients, not commercial products. Ask yourself why those formulations are not commercial products.
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No, you are absolutely wrong on that point. Most cream/gel/lotions formulations contain approximately 1% to 2% glycerin.
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There are various Cannibis-related ingredients. When you say Cannibis, what specifically are you referring to …. Hemp Seed Oil, Cannabidiol … ?
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Alpha Arbutin up to 2%
Kojic Acid up to 2%, but generally 1% because it can cause allergic reactions/contact dermatitis in some people
But, as BobZ suggested, if you’re not experienced, probably not good ingredients for you to be fooling around with.
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@peterlehrke:
Actually, Glycerin at 5% is your problem. Glycerin at anything above 1% will be stick. Best you drop the Glycerin down to 0.5%. Check to see if any of your Actives are in a glycerin or water/glycerin base. If possible, use only Actives that are in a water base. If you want, you can replace Xanthan with Sclerotium Gum.
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Try Emogreen from Seppic … you won’t be able to get an Organic Certification, but you’ll achieve your objective and your product will be all Natural.
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The best approach is to make the best product you possibly can and market it effectively highlight your integrity to your clients.
If you feel a competitor is misbranding … simply report it to the FDA … that’s what they are there for. The FDA is required by law to investigate and reply to consumer complaints. If no one complains, then you’re “Lying Cheating Competitor” is free to carry on business unchecked. But, your complaint cannot be anonymous. If you have a valid reason to complain, then present your case to the FDA.
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Just eliminate the Coconut Oil, Sugar and White Mica Powder and you have a simple shampoo and you’re good to go.
If you want to add some conditioning, add 1% Glyceryl Oleate instead of Coconut Oil.
Mica Powder … I suspect your dog could care less if the Shampoo is white, so why bother. Sugar … not a good idea.
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@Perry:
I think the issue is more relevant to the fact that you spend time answering questions to help someone out only to later learn the the OP who was looking for help, was seeking advice over a year ago and the issue they were trying to resolve is probably no longer relevant.
If someone is going to resurrect an old thread, and that someone is not the OP, it would be nice if whomever is resurrecting the old thread made note of that. But, I guess I’ll just start looking at the dates before I spend time offering advice that may no longer be relevant to the OP.
It would be better if whomever resurrects these old threads, just posted a new thread if they want to further discuss a technical topic.
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Oh! … someone’s got too much time on their hands digging up old threads. This has been happening a lot lately