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yes but how can i increase the detangling? I added the CETAC for detangling, but it seems not to be enoough
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ok @johnb I have cationic guar! I will try to make a duplication with this substitute! I also think that will be easier. and more conditioning.
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thanks. i never considered that there could be some that are compatbalie in a cationic medium. i think i read johnb’d comments wrong. thanks!
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well @johnb the xanthan gum provides the hold and curl enhancement in the product. xanthan gum is used as a hair gel for curly hair. i guess the btms is used to provide some conditioning to the product. im just curious as to how a homecrafter was actually able to get this combined and stable since everything i have read says it will not be.
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could it be that they are using it as low levels so it isn’t reacting as badly to the BTMS? somehow it must be stable because my sister has owned a jar of this stuff for over 2 years
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i think you should check out the site swiftycraftymonkey for basic formulas for hair care. her site is extremely helpful to me as a homecrafter. i formulate for my dry, thick, curly hair and have been able to make great conditioners with her suggestions.
as @Chemist77 said, your formula should add up to 100%, including the water.
fragrance shouldnt be more than 1%. btms 50 4-6% for a rinse off. maybe 2% cetyl alcohol. vegemoist 2%
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yes it will. but if you cant even get the product out of the container it will be completely unusable. you could also try reducing/ replacing the shea butter with more liquid oil. that may be a better choice. shea butter isnt adding a ton of hold, it more of a texture benefit. so instead of reducing the wax you could reduce the shea butter by 5% until you get the right consistecy.
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no you are using alot of hard waxes and oils. there isnt enough liquid oils for it to have a semi- solid texture. it have nothing to do with the order in which you add the ingredients, I would reduce the beeswax and/ or soy wax ( maybe try lowering by 5%) and increasing the amount of almond oil. play around with reducing the waxs until you get it to the texture you want.
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i dont see why you couldnt. i have both and have made a silicone spray with them both and got a much thinner consistancy than the dimethicone 500cst.
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@Belassi
I already have peg-7gc. I was thinking that the peg-12 dimethicone would add some slip to the formula, which would be benefical for thick curly hair -
so do the oils in conditioner products have a benefit for the scalp?
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Thanks for your responses. this is really interesting to me, as I think that many homecrafters (and consumers) think that “special oils” are really doing the most benefit in hair care. it seems to me that this is largely untrue.
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thanks @David good information to know. I would have never guessed that!
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WOW @johnb I have never seen that ingredients list. Even the LOI on the back of the product are what I posted. interesting….
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oh okay thank you!
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@Bill_Toge thanks for the advice. I think i will formulate by comparison as you said. Now i understand why I can’t figure out what this LOI means. the only things that are clear are the “natural ingredients” i.e the oils and extracts.
I’m sure @Belassi they have disquised the parabans and other synthetic ingredients on purpose; as they claim to be an “all natural company”. just curious though, how do you know that the extracts would disquise the use of parabens? are parabens commonly used to preserve these type of ingredients?
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ok @Belassi I see. No wonder I couldn’t figure out the emulsifier. I thought as much, but considering they are a well known brand I assumed they would have a correct ingredient list.
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wow @Belassi you know what, I never thought about that! but very true
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thanks @Belassi i feel like the more i learn about cosmetic chemistry the more i realize that everything i thought i knew about cosmetics is a lie! lol if im being honest with myself I think the only things that really make a difference on my hair are cationic ingredients (in a conditioner) and cleansing ingredients in a shampoo. and an oil for my dry hair. but other than that, I guess everything else is just fluff.
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WOW @Perry Im so surprised. I’m going to do a knock out experiment with my favorite conditioner formula and start by elminating the hydrolized protein and see if i feel it makes a difference. Thanks!
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I dont think you understand the question im asking @Belassi. Im asking if the items i listed were truly benefical to a formula of a shampoo OR conditioner, or if they were simply puffery ingredients for marketing. i know the purpose of a shampoo and conditioner
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hmm very interesting @Perry . you say glycerin just washes away, does that mean that humectants have no effect on hair since they just wash away? or should you just use them on leave on products?
i’m kinda surpised hydrolized proteins have no/little effect. the reason I say this is because I always hear ppl talk about some sort of protein-moisture balance in the hair. like proteins make hair stronger while conditioning agents provide moisture (softness). and you use products to help achieve this. is this true or is that just a bunch of lies or twisted truth from marketing?
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@Perry ok! thanks I have revised my formula based on you reccommendations! very much appreciated!
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really @Perry ? Makingcosmetics description says ” Thickening quat conditioner of the polymeric quaternary ammonium salt of hydroyethly- cellulose. Light-yellowish powder, faint odor. Easy soluble in water. pH value: 5.5 - 6.5 (2% solution)” “Cationic quat conditioning agent, adheres readily to hair proteins. Provides superb wet combatibility, good manageability & curl retention. Builds viscosity making the use of an auxiliary thickener unnecessary.”
When i add it to water it makes a “gel” type solution.
is there a benefit of using xantham gum over polyquat 10. i also have that. What usage would you suggest for xantham gum?
Thanks so much for you help!!
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from my understanding, cupuacu butter cant be used as an emulsifier. it can help stablize emulsifications because of its ability to retain water. but any butter can help stabilize emulsifications, from my understanding as a home crafter.
but if you make a lotion with cupucau butter, water, and no emulsifier, it will not stay together. treat it like any other oil.