JellyFishKarma
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Thank you for the information. Is this for a completely organic product? A few certified organic raw materials? Where can i read up about this? I have several questions about this. I have tried several searches and just organic raw materials and foods show up.
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Thank you for the replies gentleman! Just lately I have used and seen the RV model in the “smaller” labs and with larger labs they have both or the LV model. Right now on several auction sites I have seen the LV models being more available than the RV. So I might be forced into getting an LV.
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@Microformulation Forgot to ask if you were going to make it to Supplier’s Day in Long Beach!
I wanted to ask if you are using a surfactant? I have tried CAPB and Sodium Methyl Cocoyl Taurate. My formula either separates, is super tacky, or the foam collapse. 🙃
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what kind of “honey” are the putting into your shampoo? powdered, actually honey from a vendor (not grocery store) and extract?
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@Microformulation May I ask what emulsifiers do you recommend in using in my formulation. What do you recommend to mediate the tackiness? I am using an ether that is doing an ok job I am thinking I should layer it. Thank you again.
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Thank you for that answer! Social Media is full of people thinking they can walk into a chemistry/formulation lab and starting creating a world class formula based of off Youtube and Pinterest. You wont believe the hate on a FB Natural formulation page where I suggested the same thing as was told I was being rude and you don’t have to go to college to be a good formulator. I assume you don’t have to go to pilot school to fly a jet.
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Congratulations!!!
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+Thank you kindly again. Totally understand the NDA. I assume I just want to know if self tanners on the market are putting colorants on the label than what are they using? I am a resourceful person. Are they using dyes or pigments. Are they still using these with oxides at low levels to not hamper with the DHA functionality.
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Wow! competitive sunless tanning???!! I knew bodybuilders used tanning to help with the definition. This is the type of formulation i am doing. Glad to know what I am doing has a name! Thank you for the info. I am familiar with the sources you mentioned. I am making a spray type product for a client which there doesn’t seem to have alot of information on. I am happy with my spray formula that i have. Just to clarify, if the amount of DHA is 12-15% there will be transfer. So there really isn’t any way of curtailing this after application? I am getting caramel sent to me to help with the instant coloring. I have noticed on several self tanning product on the market place there are FD&C colors on the label. I am assuming these would have oxides in them. Would the amount of the oxides from the color have a great impact on the functionality of the DHA at 1-3%? My clients are a bit picking about their skin coloring…. thanks again.
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Thanks for all the responses. My point it people are introduced to me as being an equal because they have all the credentials like an MS. Then I find out the the undergrad wasn’t for anything in science and got a MS in Cosmetics because is seemed cool. I spend more time helping some one that doesn’t even have a good science base. I am just wondering is this going to be a new industry norm.
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No they are not being accommodating.
<font color=”rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)” face=”inherit”>They have have actually brought more confusion and don’t seem to understand cosmetic guidelines. We have their interest. I think they want us to move toward their comfort zone of being in food and not cosmetic. I think the 3rd party lab they are using should have their own methods for performing USP 61/62 normal cosmetic micro testing. How do can direct them into tell their 3rd party lab to just perform the labs cosmetic related micro testing with out suggesting a platform? </font>
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I am talking to a predominant food manufacturer about making my cosmetic product and preforming micro testing on the raw materials. They said they test micro against a AOAC/USP. Isn’t this for food industry. I asked them about performing USP 61/62 for micro or something similar. They were totally not familiar. How should I phrase this to do cosmetic micro testing so they can relay this to their testing lab?
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Thank you for the information!
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thank you. I want the foam to be able to stand on its own for awhil before getting “watery”. I will look in to the pump style shaving creams. I can’t use aerosol
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CAPB. they want a super stiff foam like meringue pie..
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Thank you for answering me. I must ask with this expectation of the food industry is it a good idea to ask about irradiation of the food to ensure a good TPC count of a vendor? To beat a dead horse more…Is having a TPC count under 200 cfu/g considered “ok” or does it have to be totally under 100 cfu/g?
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Thank you for the info. Just another question, so the rice starch is just a more pure form of the rice. This would be concentrated. Are there any tests to prove the rice starch potency? Would this be needed in a finished product?
Would too much starch burn the hair or be considered an overload of active?
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This reply was modified 10 months ago by JellyFishKarma.
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<i style=””>Thank you for this information.
I understand the organic certification for raw materials and such. Is there organic certification for the actual manufacturer? My co worker was speaking about a CM getting this for their facility.
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thank you for your comment but this is not what I am looking for. It is nothing mechanical. I am familiar and used an effendorf device. this is completed with 2 hands. One hand holding the straw and the other hand holding the stick plunger to draw up material and push it out into a beaker.
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Thank you for your input. I am familiar with micro pipetters and the regular plastic pipette but these are not what I am talking about.
It is a plastic straw with a long black plastic stick inside of the straw. the black “stick” has a finger loop on the end to suck up liquid or paste products (like mascara, eyeliner) and the push the product out when the transfer is done. I have seen them used in filling small tube components, or in weighing out materials for extraction preparation before using an HPLC. I just never got the name of this device. I bet when people see this they will react and say we use these all the time… I may have to draw a picture.😀
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thank you but no I looked it up that is a micro pipetter. This is not what I am talking about. I know you can purchase a box of these.
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Thank you for this. Don’t worry I will not do anything “natural or organic.” I am quite happy with the formula I have except for the instant color when you first apply. I understand it takes 4-6 hours to bloom. So varying the DHA and L-Erythlose levels can change the tones? What is the normal amount of DHA would you recommend for initial darker complexions? I have seen some formulas with as much as 15% DHA. As you know marketing can be demanding. I am trying to create a color that will appear very dark. If need be should I use pigments or dyes? I can’t get a straight answer on that…
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This reply was modified 7 months, 3 weeks ago by JellyFishKarma.
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I totally feel you on this. If people were more honest about their experience instead of telling they have this MS than I can be a bit more understanding. If you are being paraded as a super knowledgeable person and you haven’t touched a scale or an overhead mixer there is a problem. What is being taught in these schools for Cosmetics? Is this the new thing to run out and get this credential and really can’t do anything or is this the online programs that are creating these people? Has anybody else have to experience this?
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I have an idea of who their lab is. they wont specifically tell us. They can be on the call with us. I just want to move forward the best way. We have to get things check for global regulatory. This is frustrating to say the least. AOAC is for supplements, and food. Not sure how they equate this for beauty. our product is anhydrous so the water system is not need.
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Thank you again! The problem is they are trying to get us to run everything by food industry standards. They acted like they didn’t know what cosmetic specifications are for micro testing. I suggested they follow USP61/62. They are saying their testing lab is suggesting that AOAC/USP is the same as USP 61/62. Because they have been sent confusing information previously I am trying to confirm anything they say. How do I direct them to tell their 3rd party lab to just do normal cosmetic microtesting ( USP or their own validated methods)? There is a cost component to this also.
