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  • Experience with MS in Cosmetics…

    Posted by JellyFishKarma on August 23, 2023 at 10:02 am

    I have had to work with people who claimed they have a MS in Cosmetic Science or something similar. My experience is they folks knew less than the technicians that that had worked in industry for 3 years or more. I found myself explaining the basics of chemistry in order to get them to understand certain processes or even to work a mixer/homogenizer. Has anybody else had this experience?

    JellyFishKarma replied 10 months ago 5 Members · 6 Replies
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  • PhilGeis

    Member
    August 23, 2023 at 10:19 am

    Can you recall the programs MS graduates’ schools/programs?

  • Graillotion

    Member
    August 24, 2023 at 3:55 am

    Sounds like you have stumbled across the fact…. savvy experience will often trump book learn’n. ???? (Or at least come close. I’d rather work with someone who has….’been there, done that’…than someone who read about the concept.)

    I have no idea where I would be in cosmetics…without the experience. As I did things backwards…. experience first, followed by the education… I like that route better….the education fits the experience, vs trying to retain unknown educational values which you have no idea if they will be relevant or not. Now I KNOW what values need to be retained…and are relevant! 🙂

    Never be fooled by a title.

    • This reply was modified 10 months ago by  Graillotion.
  • gordof

    Member
    August 24, 2023 at 10:43 am

    I think this way to generalize.

    of course, experience is very important and you don’t need to have an MS to be a good Cosmetic Developer or scientist.

    I made Cosmetic products for myself since I was 14 years old and I have an MS in Organic Chemistry Polymer Chemistry and Surfactant Chemistry. After My time in University, it was a steep learning curve on the job but I think that is always what in every job if you have a university degree or not. In every University degree, you learn 90 % of the stuff you will never ever use again but the 10 % can help you solve problems that a Technician might find a solution to but maybe not understand the way it works.

    Like in all jobs, there are the ones that do it because they really live for the topic and they will always be the best address for information and knowledge, and having an MS is just one way of showing this expertise. But I know several Dr. of Chemistry I would not give my products to develop or optimize.

    Experience makes a good developer in many ways. but just because you have an MS you don’t be immediately a bad one or worse than any Technician you can find out there. it depends on the individual love for the subject and the willingness to go deeper down the rabbit hole.

    ????

    pleas don’t evaluate all by the experience of one bad one you encountered.

  • JellyFishKarma

    Member
    August 24, 2023 at 9:10 pm

    Thanks for all the responses. My point it people are introduced to me as being an equal because they have all the credentials like an MS. Then I find out the the undergrad wasn’t for anything in science and got a MS in Cosmetics because is seemed cool. I spend more time helping some one that doesn’t even have a good science base. I am just wondering is this going to be a new industry norm.

  • MarkBroussard

    Member
    August 24, 2023 at 10:25 pm

    @JellyFishKarma

    Just because someone has an MS in Cosmetic Chemistry does not mean they will necessarily be good at it. Same as any discipline. Having a college degree mainly has an impact on getting your first job out of school. After, that, it’s all experience that counts.

    I remember when I got my MBA and got my first job out of school. At the end of my first week on the job, i remember sitting back and thought “Damned, they didn’t teach me jack about how business really works”

    • JellyFishKarma

      Member
      August 25, 2023 at 7:53 am

      I totally feel you on this. If people were more honest about their experience instead of telling they have this MS than I can be a bit more understanding. If you are being paraded as a super knowledgeable person and you haven’t touched a scale or an overhead mixer there is a problem. What is being taught in these schools for Cosmetics? Is this the new thing to run out and get this credential and really can’t do anything or is this the online programs that are creating these people? Has anybody else have to experience this?

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