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Toms Of Maine Ingredients: Water, Decyl Glucoside, Glycerin, Sodium Chloride, Xanthan Gum, Sodium Gluconate, Sodium Lactate, Lactic Acid, Citric Acid
Nice^^
Similar and same principle re: gentle cleansing without stripping
Water 59.2
Decyl glucoside 10
Coco betaine 25
Glycerin 3
Chitosan 1
Lactic Acid 1
Pot sorb 0.3
Sodium benzoate 0.3
Tetra EDTA 0.2Chitosan is one of the ‘natural’ cationic thickeners with some very interesting properties for soothing the scalp as well as reducing / eliminating dandruff. Wella used to use it, but not sure if they still do.
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Glad you liked that idea Belassi. May want to throw in some Cu gluconate as well..,useful. Makes for a lovely, refreshing light blue
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Utilization of Mango seed
It is a very nice butter.Mango seed kernel oil and its physicochemical properties
http://www.primaryinfo.com/scope/mango-seed-oil.htm
The internet comes up with some of the darndest things…
one more
http://www.isasf.net/fileadmin/files/Docs/DenHaag/HtmlDir/Papers/P65.pdfYou will also need to invest in the right equipment or be able to find someone who can modify based on your requirements.
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Does anyone have any suggestions as to why my lotion doesn’t remain stable based on this information?
Could be a problem of the preservative system.
Scents/ parfum or essential oilsWithout the HLB of your system it’s like shooting in the dark for a solution. You could very easily solve the problem with more Glycerol stearate, but you will need the HLB to do that.
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The solubilizer is a mix:
PPG-26-Buteth-26
Hydrogenated castor oil
WaterCould be part of the problem.
if i could solve it with cheaper alternatives i would be more than happy!
Don’t package in clear bottles.Please suggest if there is any database/Website that will help me about perfumes as i couldn’t find any.
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Hello dsanderson,,
http://www.soapandmore.com/cart/Emulsifying-Wax-Vegetable-BEST-DEAL.html#product-details-tab-descriptionLocated in Canada….very nice product.
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http://www.australiansoapmaker.info/ozcalc/lye.php
Nicer calc.Of course, I prefer mine…lol..
Determination of Saponification, Acid and Ester Values;Percentage of Free Fatty Acids and Glycerol in someSelected edible Oils: Calculation of concentration of Lye Needed to Prepare soap from These Oils
Equation to solve for NaOH and KOHFA
NaOH —KOH
Stearic 0.1411/ 0.1987
Palmitic,
Myristic,
Lauric,
Oleic
Coconut Fatty AcidMatch the numbers in the SEA soap calculator…gives the correct answer. You don’t need to read the fatty acid name…it won’t change the calculations..lol..
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What is the emulsion which is used to integrate the silicone oil 350 with water without occurrence of separation?
You want to create a stabilized matrix.
The top white glob…is the same thing I get with 10% silicone 350.Magikal juju for cones and oils but the naturalistas will blow a gasket..lol..
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Desquamatization of the upper layers. Then the driver of poly20…( or a premix) …..like I said, whoever put this together created an elegant work of practical art.
Retinol and RP combined have caused a peeling effect in past for me..lol…so, the yellow seems to come from the RP., otherwise it is pale yellow. That can be hidden in the LOI and not be telling a lie. RP is one of the unsung heroes in skin care. Retinoic acid is your irreversible end product, and too much will cause peeling, but RP is essential cofactor to many other reactions.
Also it’s worth mentioning that when Retinol is your primary peeling active, you want to be a little higher in the pH. Say 5.5.
Hmm…yes….was working off the brochure you had posted (ph 1.7-2.0) but did not see..and here pH 4 ..skin will buffer the low pH of the product ( which this isn’t, per se), so should be fine. Feels a little warm upon application, but then dries to nothing…wash off…apply whatever…see what happens in 48 hrs. If not peeling, will increase Retinol and see if that works.Yet another version of the same thing..lol…
Composition :
Aqua, Propylene Glycol, Cetearyl Alcohol, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Sodium Cetearyl Sulfate, Decyl Oleate, Lactic Acid, Salicylic Acid, Retinol, Phytic Acid, BHT, Methyl Chloro Isothiazolinone, Methyl Isothiazolinone
That end result is very nice though. ^^^ Dropped the ‘whitening’ ingredients.
Seems like, wherever it is currently sold, there is also a different LOI.
Thank you Bart. That was a fun exercise.
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Regardless of where in his process the contamination occurred, if he were using the proper preservative to begin with, batch would not have tested positive.
Irrelevant. It Did test positive.
So, the solution, in your opinion is what?
#1. Toss more preservative at the batch and hope it solves the problem?
or
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1. Verdict from a legal standpoint = Unknown
2. Ethical standpoint = gray zone. Pathogenicity unknown.
3. Loss $$ to him if he dumps it.a. What is the preservative system?
b. Had that been tested prior by whomever ordered the batch?
c. If it comes back a fail for that organism…could be due to preservative fail prior to the order, not a colony partying in the machines.I’d dump it. And find the source, and if fault lies with the preservation system, the cost goes to the buyer.
Them Psuedo Monas are a wiley bunch!
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Acid cream knockoff pic before addition of Vit A palmitate.
pH, not adjusted came in at 3.15, after magikal juju additions went to 3.58
Degreased. Slapped on …see what happens…lol…
97% “Natural” ….and am gonna go for 100% natural…
But for selling…go silicon ….make that one next and see what happens.
Lactic 10%
Salicylic 6%
Kojic 3%
Arbutin 4%
Retinol 3 %
Vit A Palmitate 5% ( there’s your yellow)Anybody know what this thing sells for?
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Max 3.0% rinse-off Max 2.0% in other products.
And the legal pH?
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Pseudo Monas have come to party, have they?
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10% of the oils
Don’t sue me on the difference of describing bubbles vs foam….but lots of bubbles/foam with castor oil in the mix.
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5. The synthetic has better foam.
Yes, probably.Don’t know your soaps….but have found 10% Castor oil tends to have the same effect as 1% CDE in the synthetics…lots of foam.
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Mmhmm…in short…
Purple + Sky = Flapjacks
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they performed the procedure in their own way. So the photos present the effect of 4 hrs application, not the 2 hrs as recommended by the manufacturer.
Could be also why the peeling. Quite nice though…Found this on a different site advertising same peel: Vitamin A 3%, Salicylic Acid 10%, Phytic Acid 0.5%, Arbutin 4%, Kojic Acid 5%
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbCDfheqzt8
Variations on a theme. Can see where the yellow comes from depending what was used. Or could turn out white as well. Not seeing a “cream” so much as an elegant gel.
Another one:
Active ingredients:
- Lactic acid at 10%
- Retinol 3%
- Salicylic acid 6%
- Kojic acid 1%
- Arbutin 1%
- Emblica 1%
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Interesting tactic with the PA. Looks like they are chelating the multivalents to knock out tyrosinase…nice. Morus alba , one known mechanism of action is same. More than 0.5% PA doesn’t improve the effect either.
Leave cream on for four hours ( brochure states 30min to 2 hours ?) and wash face…days later ..start peeling.
Salicylic - 6%
Lactic - 8%
15% acid and pH in the bottle 1.7 -2.0 =100% free acid available. Jack in Retinol @5%…that would cause a peeling effect.The acidity of the cream alone will create a lightening effect, regardless of the actives. Salicylic acid @ 10% can put a smile one a girl’s face who is wanting to achieve lighter skin tone.
Elegant.
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please share your thoughts, could something like this even be profitable?
Why not?where would be the best place to advertise for this type of service to evaluate the level of interest?
No idea, But CC is a good place to start.would more profits be made on the formulation, or manufacturing, or filling/packaging?
Depends where you want to focus and your equipment.Sourcing: Why not leave that to the client? They deliver to you what is required. That is their headache. Not yours. And extra goes home with them.
Bottles: You act inadvertently as a representative for various companies, and have samples on hand. Client chooses bottle, you order from company.
Flat rate on setup. (based on # of ingredients/ types) Whether 100 bottles, or 5000. Your time and expertise is covered and per bottle/ tube the price is built in.
The greater the quantity, the more you make, and that is the time variable, but your initial set up is covered large or small.
You’ll have to run the numbers and include taxes, insurance and any other expenses, rent etc…electric…see if it is feasible and your breakeven point.
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It’s a ratio that changes and is expressed in %.
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I can assure you, this is no Internet smear campaign.
I’d like to believe you, but given the internet and the manner in which is has been dealt with so far, and organic silicons. That would be silly.The burden of proof still remains something better than online photos and sock puppet accounts.
IF the eyeshadows were moulding and ever so many people were angry about it as they should be, why are there not more photos and proof? I am not seeing that. I am seeing a consistent smear. While at the same time, several have reported using her products with no problems and very happy with them.
Another of the ‘investigators’ also admits to using sock puppets. ( screen shot of that if you want to see) And sock puppets are those delightful disposable ignorant online personas that can be generated with no effort whatsoever, create an instagram account and then harass others with it. Then start over again.
She didn’t even use a preservative in her products, so of course it grew mold.
Then why did you buy it? Seems you were well aware of that.Her original ingredients listing is: Glycerin, Alcohol MAY CONTAIN: Jojoba Oil, Candelilla Wax, Shea Butter, Castor Oil, Polyethylene Terephthalate and Acrylates Copolymer
Do you know what the FDA approved preservatives are for eye care products?
Do be so kind as to provide that information for the rest of us.What kinds of microorganisms might occur in cosmetics?
That depends on a variety of factors, such as how a cosmetic is formulated, manufactured, stored, and used. Some microorganisms pose little to no risk of illness or injury to consumers. Other microorganisms can pose significant risks; such microorganisms are characterized as “pathogenic.”
Tell me more about ‘organic silicons’…
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Interesting…
BASF is still selling that pigment and others like it. Legal in the EU and Asia, but not the USA, at this point in time and may change in future, Unknown.Instagram statement of “presence of mold” which is not backed up by evidence nor proof of testing such to that conclusion is not more than hearsay.
Maybe there is mold, maybe there isn’t. Maybe it’s just an internet smear campaign designed to ruin her. Either way, problems on both sides of the equation. Just another goofball example of the Naturalistas and the ” deadly dangerous preservatives” and well…lol….
This is an example of the sort of misleading thing that is rampant online.
Do mineral cosmetics really work? What’s their advantage?
Mineral makeup helps cosmetics users who are prone to allergies, who have sensitive skin, and those who have adult acne and/or rosacea.
That’s because mineral makeup is organic, hypoallergenic and oil free. Mineral cosmetics won’t clog pores like some conventional cosmetics.
Free of irritating dyes, talc and fragrances, the purity of mineral cosmetics is the answer for users whose skin can’t handle the catchall of ingredients found in traditional makeup formulations. The most common ingredients in mineral cosmetics include micronized titanium dioxide, micronized zinc oxide, iron oxide, silk mica, and hydrated silica.
Are we talking about “organic” silicons here? Like, “natural” organic “oil free”?
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Untitled Letter to BASF Regarding Mica-Based Pearlescent Pigments
Color Additives and Cosmetics
How are color additives categorized?The FD&C Act Section 721(c) [21 U.S. C. 379e(c)] and color additive regulations [21 CFR Parts 70 and 80] separate approved color additives into two main categories: those subject to certification (sometimes called “certifiable”) and those exempt from certification. In addition, the regulations refer to other classifications, such as straight colors and lakes.
Colors subject to certification. These color additives are derived primarily from petroleum and are sometimes known as “coal-tar dyes” or “synthetic-organic” colors. (NOTE: Coal-tar colors are materials consisting of one or more substances that either are made from coal-tar or can be derived from intermediates of the same identity as coal-tar intermediates. They may also include diluents or substrata. (See Federal Register, May 9, 1939, page 1922.) Today, most are made from petroleum.)
Except in the case of coal-tar hair dyes, these colors must not be used unless FDA has certified that the batch in question has passed analysis of its composition and purity in FDA’s own labs. If the batch is not FDA-certified, don’t use it.
These certified colors generally have three-part names. The names include a prefix FD&C, D&C, or External D&C; a color; and a number. An example is “FD&C Yellow No. 5.” Certified colors also may be identified in cosmetic ingredient declarations by color and number alone, without a prefix (such as “Yellow 5”).
Colors exempt from certification. These color additives are obtained primarily from mineral, plant, or animal sources. They are not subject to batch certification requirements. However, they still are considered artificial colors, and when used in cosmetics or other FDA-regulated products, they must comply with the identity, specifications, uses, restrictions, and labeling requirements stated in the regulations [21 CFR 73].
Did the mold appear after having used the product? Or was it present when first purchased and unopened?As I have had mold grow in very expensive high end eye shadows of a famous brand. Not once, but several times from the same company, several years apart in purchases. And I have yet to see an Instagram smear campaign run against the company or any negative comments about them.
Perhaps my eyeshadow brush was contaminated? The load too high and the preservative system could not handle it. I don’t know. But I can toss it.
Other eye shadows, by the same company have not suffered the same problem. And I used the same brushes.
