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MemberFebruary 12, 2019 at 12:51 pm in reply to: water used in cosmetics manufacturing ..help please:(I don’t remember, but it was OK with regular filters. Now im analizing installing the exact softener Bill posted.
As for chlorine, yes, it happens sometimes. I don’t know what’s the protocol for water treatment plants, maybe some sort of emergency release, but I have seen color fading because of it. You could smell it in your skin after washing your hands. Carbon filters should do the trick.
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Those are the inverted t right?. Those are used for high viscosity and thixotropic stuff. You need the right spindle for what you are measuring. You don’t always get the error message. Check the manual, there should be a table or a range. Also it could indicate you product is very plastic and the readings are accurate.
The values you should take are the parameters production will give you as reference. X value measured in X sample with X spindle on X meter during X time at X temperature. If you are dealing with non Newtonian fluids they should give you a table. Measurement without reference means squat. You can consider it “stable” if the sample fits the parameters, nothing else.
Also a common mistake is not knowing how long has passed since batch production. This brings lots of fights between production and QC. You could be rejecting a perfect batch just because they gave you a fresh sample, or getting funky readings in a short period like you are having. Thixotropy, that bitch…
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MemberFebruary 11, 2019 at 11:59 am in reply to: Compliance attitudes generally towards bulk retail cosmetic dispensersYou can go back to glass. In fact there’s this idea to use the amazon service to exchange the bottles. All the major companies are working on it, so it will be the new thing.
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MemberFebruary 6, 2019 at 10:07 pm in reply to: Fragrance oils? Are there preservatives in them?No, just antioxidants. BHA/BHT most likely.
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MemberFebruary 6, 2019 at 4:04 pm in reply to: water used in cosmetics manufacturing ..help please:(You could add carbon and fiber filters and you will see an improvement, but only with a reverse osmosis system you will remove most of it. Those are expensive but effective. In the meantime you can order distilled water from a local supplier. A truck can easily carry 20-40m3.
A third option will be to rent a portable filter system until you can fix yours.
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Also, even if you find a surfactant system that suits your needs you should be extra careful choosing fragrance and preservative.
Leaving those items to consumers choice is reckless, and even ethically shady for a vet. Fragrances will have allergens, and some preservatives can mess with the nervous system.
For fragrance I suggest you find a manufacturer who has experience developing for pets, the downside will be the MOQ. And im sure someone here can shed some light on preservatives. Forlamdehyde releasers perhaps?.
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And you won’t find it. The HLB system is made for surfactants with no charge. Those are anionic.
Also keep in mind HLB shall be used as a formulation guide, its not a flawless method.
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Unless you have a vet helping you with the formula don’t experiment on your dog. Their skin is far more complicated than human skin. What’s mild for us might be poison to them. Search @Belassi ‘s topic about this.
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It could be a good product if you sell it right. I had a similar product and I discontinued it not long ago. The issue is, as mentioned before, the cost. A “cosmetic” dish wash will be expensive, and if you don’t market it right you will end up like me, using the last drum to clean the floor. The niche I found is for people who has allergies or high sensitivity.
If you are going to give it a shot I suggest you this:
- add an ethoxylated fatty alcohol to change the foam profile and the viscosity.
- add claim ingredients, whatever people in your area think is good for the skin. Glycerin, aloe vera, jojoba, snake poison…
- a formaldehyde releaser will work, but if it’s expensive or hard to source try MIT.
- a chelating agent won’t hurt.
- sell it first, manufacture it later. Make a small batch for samples, if it doesn’t work you won’t end up losing money.
- make it light pink, it gives the sensation of mildness. Mine was orange, huge mistake.
- sell it right. It’s the kind of product consumers won’t find elsewhere. -
True, might not be useful to consumers, but there are reasons why there are laws and regulations that we all must respect. Ask an allergist if a shorter INCI will help him do his work… I take a detailed list will be of importance to the doctor, not the patient. Also there might be other purposes that we are not taking into consideration.
The “detailed info on website” is equal to say “hey marketing, go nuts”. And of course, leaving the decision of what’s hot or not to a companies’ criteria is simply a terrible idea.
Honestly, that prop sounds more like lobby than author’s input.
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Maybe not, but they lie big, and the consequences are huge.
But as always, they lawyer up, give some money, pull a PR stunt and business as usual.
The implant files should have been a scandal, and I haven’t seen even a slap on the wrist.
Perry, they did publish the internal memos. Didn’t read much, but they do show evidence. Im sure the research is available too.
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In my experience, no. If someone is going to screw you, they will no matter what. I had bad checks, fake deposits, ghost companies… when they target you, they will most likely screw you.
On the other hand, it’s also relative to your specific niche, the relationship with the customer and the kind of job you are making. Since you sell a service, a contract is a must. But I wouldn’t move a finger without a down payment.
I had a request today for an insane quantity, I rejected inmediatly. Contract or not, I know I will loose money. A company that handles very large numbers and doesn’t have it’s own infrastructure will most likely play with yours, and even worse if they request more that you can handle. 10 years ago I would be exited, now I know its a waste of time.
Also, even if you have the most solid contract, do you have the infrastructure and the money to afford a legal fight?. Is it worth it?. Are you sure you will win?.
Anyway, as a golden rule, money first and reject what’s too good to be true. Experience will sharpen the nose to make you decide what’s what, but nothing will give you 100% certainty.
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MemberJanuary 2, 2019 at 4:52 pm in reply to: Why fatty alcohol ethoxylates ain’t used more often in personal care products?On the downside it’s hot process only, higher cost. I buy 7m 90% sol, it remains liquid even at low temp. Totally worth it.
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1) It’s possible but unlikely. You’ll see the droplets in a stability test.
2) I’d make other tests first.
3) The batch is probably fine, but no, you can’t separate the fragrance.If you are willing, you should make a patch test on yourself to ensure it’s the fragrance. If it is, contact your supplier, explain this to them and change it.
Keep in mind a fragrance can have over 100 components. Many will induce allergic reactions to some people even at low levels. It’s important you work with a company with experience in formulating fragrances for cosmetic products. Small companies usually make a few simple formulas and buy and dillute the hard ones. If they can’t give you tech support find a better supplier.
Also consider making trials on smaller batches, I wouldn’t test a fragrance in more than 1 or 2kg.
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In order of importance:
1) Cloud point
2) Viscosity
3) FoamAlthough 1 and 2 can alternate depending on the region/weather.
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Money talks. Let’s all admit that we would dance naked with a shaman over a reactor if the money is worth it.
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Sure, but it will eventually damage the skin.
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Seychelles, what a wonderful place. Now besides money laundering they make water laundering too, full service.
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MemberDecember 7, 2018 at 4:34 pm in reply to: Is sodium lauryl sulfate classified as o/w emulsifying agent?Yes, as Perry says it is irritant so the use you can give to an ewax made with SLES is limited, I wouldn’t use anionics on leave-on products. But there are good applications to it. Read this discussion.
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Format and price my friend. I see your point, but from an industrial perspective that’s unrealistic.
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MemberNovember 30, 2018 at 10:37 pm in reply to: Why is Vitamin C now touted as the next big thing for skin care?Oh the power of suggestion… stronger than any marketing campaign.
I have products that are exactly the same, except for the color. Even distributors and manufacturers with years of experience will say “the red one is sweeter”, “I’ll take the blue, is stronger and fresh”.
You can convince people to rub shit on their face because “katy perry does it, and she looks great!”. And it will work. Ask any cosmetologist.
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I have seen it ngarayeva001 said:
There always will be people who prefer soap. I think it is an outdated technology though.Yes, but it doesn’t have a replacement.
This concept applies not only to soap, but any alkaline product in contact with the skin on regular basis.