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Which country are you located it? A quick googling should get you where you want to be. 

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https://chemistscorner.com/cosmeticsciencetalk/discussion/comment/7875/#Comment_7875 

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You may need to do more research. We can help you troubleshoot. 

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@Belassi-  Thanks for the laugh! Conc sulfuric…gosh… can’t argue with that… hahahaa

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-  a chemist who will help us to form an appropriate ingredient list according to regulations of EU and US and in future can consult on all sorts of formulating issues.

This by itself is a two part request.

 To generate appropriate ingredient lists for different regions that will be properly signed off you will need a regulatory personnel. Chemists can do it without a problem but for a freelance job I doubt anyone would risk being legally responsible. Regulatory agencies charge anywhere between 200-300 per person/per hour and you will look at minimum 15 hours. 

For consultation on formulation, many of the chemists here can help but you will not be looking at “freelancer” rates.

- an editor/writer who has the knowledge of cosmetic industry and and can form texts according to our marketing positions

You can hire a freelancer creative writer at $10/hr but if you want the expertise of a person with “the knowledge of cosmetic industry” to review an evaluate your piece then the rates will reflect that persons expertise and the value of their signature (and their risk) on your documents. 

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What kind of research have you done yourself?

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I really love “in the jungle” name as is! What age group is your product directed at?

For me, it brings back memories of Lion King’s song :

In the jungle, the mighty jungle! the lion sleeps toniiiiiight… 

I have to try really hard to get this out of my head now. 

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Just my two cents:

1- MAP oxides and produces an orange by product. It’s a characteristic of VitaminC. So you’re correct to make it without the actives. 

2- Try testing your emulsifier system. Increase and decreasing your emuslifier wax and see the effect. I doubt lot make a difference in the quality of your emulsion but the amount of emulsifier does.

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That’s actually not too bad for a luxury brand. This one though, is my favorite. 

Water, Sodium Cocoyl Isethionate, Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate, Disodium Laureth Sulfosuccinate, Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Glycol Distearate, Glycereth-26, Decyl Glucoside, Fragrance, PPG-5-Ceteth-20, Divinyldimethicone/Dimethicone Copolymer, Amodimethicone, Polyquaternium-7, Polyquaternium-10, Methylparaben, Propylene Glycol, PEG-55 Propylene Glycol Oleate, Carbomer, Linalool, C11-15 Pareth-7, Limonene, Glycerin, Trideceth-12, Laureth-9, Geraniol, C12-13 Pareth-23, C12-13 Pareth-3, Hydroxypropyltrimonium Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Wheat Amino Acids, CI 60730/Ext. Violet 2, Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Methylisothiazolinone, Hydrolyzed Oats, Hydrolyzed Oat Protein, Citric Acid, Pentaerythrityl Tetra-Di-T-Butyl Hydroxyhydrocinnamate, Benzophenone-4, Helianthus Annuus Seed Oil/Sunflower Seed Oil, Fusanus Spicatus Wood Oil, Tocopheryl Acetate, Ascorbic Acid, Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein PG-Propyl Silanetriol, Camellia Sinensis Extract/Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract, Melanin, Helianthus Annuus Seed Extract/Sunflower Seed Extract, Rosa Centifolia Extract/Rosa Centifolia Flower Extract, Aloe Barbadensis Extract/Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Extract, Sodium Hydroxide

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You need to realize that there’s very little difference between private label manufacturers. What makes YSL or companies similar get considered high quality is the marketing, packaging and the time and energy their team spends on sampling and revising formulas from the manufacturer to cater to the consumers’ likes and dislikes. 

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Yes polysorbate 20 is an emulsifier that will help keep your oils in solution. They level of use, you have to try for yourself but you can start with equal percentage to your oils. 

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Just to add to Belassi’s comment, have you tried this formulation on yourself or a panel of friends/family?

I might be wrong but that amount of essential oil, fragrance and alcohol might be quite irritating for a face product (or any other product), especially one that’s worn after shaving. I would love others’ opinion of this as well. 

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What is your budget? I was looking for a similar thing for one of our clients (my company doesn’t do color cosmetics) and it turns out several companies out there sell and label pre-made products. They have a warehouse with unlabeled products ready to go and fairly extensive catalog.

You won’t be adding the colors yourself because that’s not how formulations are made in color cosmetics (ie. you can’t start with a white base and add colors). You will choose colors from an existing range of colors then put them in your labeled packaging. 

The company I was leaning towards was charging about $7.00 for an an eyeshadow, for a quantity of 50-500 units. Private message me if you want more information about this company. They also come up on Google searches on the first page so you can start from there. 

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@Belassi- I laughed out loud in a very quiet lab. This thread is getting more hilarious everytime I check back.

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No, zinc is completely safe. 

Are you mixing base lotion with 22% zinc? What’s the goal? Are you trying to achieve a certain SPF? 

My understanding is that with Z-Cote you can use a lower percentage to get the same SPF and less whitening but your lab can determine if you’ve got the SPF value you’re targeting. 

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Why do they want beta carotene? As a colorant or are they making claims for efficacy? 

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Check the libraries around you. I bet you can sign one out and keep it for a year without anyone putting a hold on it. 

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@Bobzchemist I partially agree with you on the vested interests and the extent of proprietary information but this is how I see the story play out:  

Once the top companies start rolling out this declaration program, their marketing will dive in and try to induce the fear of non-declared ingredients with shiny claims on the labels and 60 second long tv ads. 

Then the natural segment will jump in and start campaigning, blogs and seminar over how perfumers are poisoning the the public and soon enough, you and I will be forced to work with fragrance houses that will divulge their ingredients. I really don’t see a way out of this. Fragrance houses have had the luxury of not declaring their ingredients because the public didn’t know that there’s more than one ingredient in a fragrance.  

@Belassi My favourites are those that turn your generic SLS/betaine shampoo into a tub of jello at 0.5%. 

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Brilliant idea! I remember Perry used to have a post on abbreviations on his blog. I hope he has a back up.

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Thanks Perry! So far I’ve always asked for a benchmark and tried to go off based on those but I’m recently seeing clients come in with say, a ‘tinted sunscreen’ request and they turn around and say it needs to have more coverage, hydration and coverage. Also, throw some cooling effect in there… why not!

@Bobzchemist. That’s exactly how I pictured it but the marketing claims are getting out of hand with the recent request I’m getting! CC (I’ve been told) is complete coverage, technically a foundation + primer with sunscreen, with a ton of conditioning agents, plant extracts, etc.

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@Perry To begin with beggars couldn’t be choosers, and if I need an info there is a way to ask and if someone denies it that doesn’t mean I have to show this kind of street urchin behavior. 

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Wow. Just wow. 

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I doubt carbomer or cellulose would be good options for pigment and 10% oil. 

Now, I haven’t tested any of these but Symrise has an emulsifier for sprayable sunscreens. So does BASF and Croda (and I’m sure many others). Maybe that would work for your application.

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That’s what I’ve come to figure. With organic claims we’re out of luck… everything invites a lawsuit!

With natural I seem to have found some good lab/factories for skincare but nothing yet for color cosmetics.

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Well auctions invitations are mostly passed around to people in the industry and then through them to other people in the industry. 

If ebay isn’t a good resource then search for your local “Used lab equipment” companies, look through their websites or call them up. They definitely have your basic lab equipment and can give you fairly good warranties.