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Hi, i am wondering, my pomade is made using Ceteareth-25, the formulation so far is is ok but the issue i am having now is that it melts when it is hot - like when travelling. Is there anyway to help improve this?

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@ketchito thank you. I will try it out

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ketchito said:@ketchito you said salt curve so if salt amount, goes beyond the peak of viscosity and then viscosity fall down so how to regain the viscosity? Is there any ingredient to regain the viscosity or throw whatever made. Another thing how to measure that particular amount of salt that goes to maximum viscosity. Sometimes we continuously adding salt to get more and more viscosity and the result , whatever viscosity was there, we lost that too😄

Sometimes you have more than one peak in your salt curve, so you could keep adding salt. Alternatively, you could add water to dilute the effect of salt. Or add some rheology modifier.

@ketchito is there any way to know how many peaks there is in a salt curve besides testing?

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@saeedulfat Usually CAPB and NaCl are added as the last ingredients, to reach the final viscosity (unless you have a cationic polymer, in which case, you could use some CAPB before your cationic polymer, to avoid direct interaction with your anionic surfactant). Also, why do you wait 24 hours to add CAPB? 

@ketchito, can I just check with you, in a 16% SLES (70%)/5% CAPB (35%)/3.6% Lauryl Glucoside formulation which I then thicken with 3% salt, is it possible to increase the CAPB % to increase its viscosity? Would it accept the stability? I add the CAPB at the beginning, is it better to add CAPB at the end?

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It’s usually cationic polymers, since positive charges work as micelle promoters (like honey attracting bears…if bears were as peaceful and honey-loving as Winnie Pooh, and they could all organize in groups, hehe). Perhaps the Higgs bossom analogy would fit better 😆

Does this mean that if i want to have more micelles in the shampoo, i need to make sure i have some cationic polymers so it can promote more micelles? Also, how do cationics promote micelle formation?

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@Chemaccounts yes i did try and i could actually feel the cooling effect. 

@ketchito thanks very much for the help. the cooling effect is much better. Can I know what is the reason to premix menthol with CDE instead of a solubilizer? besides CDE, what other surfactants could i mix menthol with if i don’t have CDE in the formulation?

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@ketchito thanks. i will definately give it a try

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@ketchito thanks for your recommendation. I am using C12-15 Pareth-12 as my solubilizer. would the solubilier affect the cooling effect?

Would anything in the shampoo stop the cooling effect from showing?

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@ngarayeva001 thanks… think i will explore further on this material

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@ketchito thanks for your suggestion

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Hi, @ngarayeva001  can you let me know what else can be made with Zen since you  mentioned it is the must functional? 

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@Svemirska_baklava thanks for your reply. I will try your suggestions and see what works. I only have one question regarding the silicon oil, currrently i am adding PEG-12 Dimethicone, I am wondering if it’ll work to reduce the bubbles. The reason i am using this is because it is more water soluble because my pomade is transparent. I wonder if it’ll turn blue if i add dimethicone/cyclomethicome etc

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At the moment I have tested Fixate Freestyle but only on dry hair. The hold is not too good because I have used it at a lower percentage. if the percentage increases, the hold should get better. 

I see a lot of pomades in the market using Ceteareth-25 so thats what I am using. Maybe I need to try Ceteareth 30 or 20. 

I do not have Simethicone, would other types of silicon have the same effect?

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@Svemirska_baklava Hi, i am wondering you can help me with my water based pomade. I am using Ceteareth-25 and find that when i combine my water and oil phase then fragrance and preservative, all the stirring produces bubbles. Even when its hot,  I cant remove the bubbles. I am only testing at this moment so I am only preparing 100g at a time. Besides using a vacuum, how can I remove the bubbles before pouring into containers?

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Sorry the pH is actually 4.5-5.0

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@Perry Thank you

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@Perry you mentioned that all shampoos are micellar because they have surfactants that produce micelles. How can I know that the surfactant will produce micelles? How is the critical micellar concentration involved in formulating a shampoo? 

I have no problem in just formulating a clear shampoo and calling it micellar, but i do have customers that will ask what is the difference between a normal clear shampoo and a micellar shampoo. 

@@ozgirl  yes it does look like a normal shampoo