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@Perry @singhc10 thanks.
So what would be the amount of sodium citrate which is is above CAPB, Sodium Xylenesulfonate and SLS? 
And what would it do in such high amount? 

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Yes 
HLB was made for such emulsifiers

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I purchase from china or India

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@Perry thanks 
This Shampoo is for adults so they may be able to protect there eyes.
Is there any effort for skin and hair? 
Is it common for shampoos to use that amount of salt? 

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@PhilGeis it has around %3 gingerol.
Pharma said pure ginger CO2 extract wouldn’t introduce bug food but slight additional preservation instead. So i asked what does this 20:1 extract powder do for bugs. 

It feels good on skin and make the skin a bit warm if used in lotion. Especially in cold weather. I was using it at %2.

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@Pharma it is water

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First thing in the water phase. 
%0.1 or %0.2. 

I use %0.2 EDTA in Shampoo

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@Pharma how about 20:1 ginger concentrate powder? The suppliers say one kg of this is extracted from 20 kg ginger

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If you want to use a good chelating agent use EDTA or sodium phytate wich is about 10x more expensive. 
These two are strong at pH 5.

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%6 has %3 active surfactant. I have oily scalp andFor me %3 active cationic surfactant is a bit over conditioning. Maybe for them it is ok. 

Another reason for %6 my be to get enough viscosity. That you can achieve by adding fatty alcohol and it will cost you less too. 

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chemicalmatt said:

@David using SPDMA (Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, a tertiary amine) as the primary emulsifier as @EarthE has done here you will see a HUGE difference in viscosity when neutralizing with different organic acids as I noted. For simply reducing the pH of a cationic system comprising a cationic alkly quat or cationic polymer, not a great difference but citric is most likely to disrupt as he/she observed and for the reasons stated. Also, regarding EDTA or any other chelant in cationic hair conditioners, bear in mind those act as anti-redeposition agents primarily, preservative enhancers secondarily. In the case of hair conditioning you want to encourage deposition not discourage it, right? Thus I never add chelants to hair conditioners of any formulation medium. 

Does EDTA decrease the deposition of Amodimethicone from Shampoo or conditioner?

Shampoo is SLES/CAPB based.

Conditioner is cetyl alcohol, Polyglyceryl 6 distearate, Amodimethicone. 

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Cationic surfactants are usually used between %1 and %2. No one uses %10 at anything

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@Dreamer77 which country are you living in? 

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Pharma said:

Abdullah said:

Can i ask which silicone oils?

I’m not saying silicones are the only thing which works (though they work great, especially if not used in emulsion form). The main thing is proper wound care.

Can you provide some more details on this part”especially if not used in emulsion form”?

Does emulsion form reduce the effects of silicone? If yes,why?

By forms other than emulsion, do you mean mixing silicone in oil or another silicone?

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Pharma said:

Dreamer77 said:

You can talk to me about lighting now…thank you all

It was a serious question, no reason to go cocky.

BTW the latest trick available here around against scaring is simply a blend of three different cp silicone oils (10 g for > 40$). The best thing is still the base cream and proper care, not fancy ingredients .

Can i ask which silicone oils?

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@RedCoast i have %5 petrolatum that theoretically can prevent %98 TEWL. Isn’t that enough? 

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David said:

@Abdullah we have made some stable conditioners with EDTA/citric acid/ cationic combination - the order of adddition is important though.

Can you write the LOI of one of your conditioners?
Better if it has SPDMA

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you said these pics are 5-10 minutes after 1st application, not 2 weeks. If you can show me in a10 minutes video that the skin heals like that and the eyebrow grows like that, i will purchase your Product in bulk. 50kg at first purchase. 

If it is difficult to find something like this again, the eyebrow part would be easy. Shave your or someone elses eyebrow, apply the cream and let me see if it is growing back like this or at least half like this. 

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@Pharma thanks

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Reduce the amount of beeswax

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What is this expensive cream used for? 

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Perry said:

I don’t think there would be a difference.

Thanks

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Thanks @Rockstargirl

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Increase your preservative amount to maximum allowance

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Pattsi said:

The least I have paid for IP is 10,000.
Ask for more 5,000 - 7,500.

What does ip mean?