Article by: Perry Romanowski

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Interview – Matt Zoeller

Matt Zoeller holds a B.S. in Chemistry from Roosevelt University and is a 30-year veteran of the personal care product contract manufacturing industry segment. He has held senior technical management positions at Schmit Laboratories, SMAP Mfg., and Raani Corporation. He is currently V.P. of Product Development for Paket Corporation in Chicago, a respected contract manufacturer of HBA products packaged in flexible pouches. Matt has contributed to the MWSCC in many capacities, most notably as Editor of the SCCoop from 1999 to 2003. He also co-produced several technical seminars for the chapter and managed publicity for Teamworks events since 1996.

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Perry Romanowski

Perry has been formulating cosmetic products and inventing solutions to solve consumer problems since the early 1990’s. Additionally, he has written and edited numerous articles and books, taught continuing education classes for industry scientists, and developed successful websites. His latest book is Beginning Cosmetic Chemistry 3rd Edition published by Allured.


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    Thank you, Perry & Matt for another interesting podcast!

    The sound was wacky this time on my pc, for some reason…
    But it was really interesting to hear Matt’s tips & tricks of the trade.

    1 thing that I could have missed due to the sound problems was this: what if you are a cosmetic chemist and want to outsource the manufacturing of your own formulas (that have been developed and tested by you) to a contract manufacturer? Is a non-disclosure contract enough? Would such a formulator be allowed to supply their own raw materials or packaging, without using the contract manufacturer as a middle man? Basically the formulator would only use the manufacturers facilities to blend the upscaled formula and package it (using filling machines for example).

    Can either of you shine some light onto this?

    Thank you so much!

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      Sorry for the poor sound quality. I was having a little trouble with the phone connection and I had the wrong microphone set-up. I tried to edit it so the information came through but there were some difficult spots.

      I think a non-disclosure is typically what contract manufacturers sign when you give them a formulation. It is actually preferred by contract manufacturers for you to supply your own packaging.

      I’m not sure but I think you could arrange a deal with a manufacturer to create the product in the way you suggest. However, they might want to actually make the products themselves for safety / insurance reasons.

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        Thank you, Perry! I was worried that there was something wrong with my pc. It still made it a very interesting podcast, as always 🙂

        I didn’t mean actually operating the machines but being there as the product is made. I still didn’t find manufacturers that can work with my conditions, so maybe those need adjusting 😉

        Just wondering if other cosmetic chemists/readers have any experience with contract manufacturers?

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