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  • Is there any benefit to including several substantive conditioners in a formula?

    Posted by DeedeeUkulele on January 20, 2020 at 1:13 am

    I plan to make a low-foam facial cleanser. I understand humectants and other moisturizing ingredients won’t do a thing with rinse-off formulas, so I’ve turned to substantive conditioners to give the skin a “moisturized” after-feel. I’ve experimented several times and found a good starting ratio:

    3% Polyquaternium-7
    1.5% Lauryl Methyl Gluceth-10 Hydroxypropyldimonium Chloride
    0.25% Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride

    I understand all these adsorb to the skin, but is there a benefit to including them all together? Also, is there a chance all these would build-up and turn comedogenic in the long run?

    DeedeeUkulele replied 4 years, 3 months ago 3 Members · 6 Replies
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  • Gunther

    Member
    January 22, 2020 at 11:09 pm

    Too many cationics can leave a sticky afterfeel, despite it being a rinse off products.
    I don’t think they’ll be comedogenic. If anything, cationics usually have some antibacterial activity.

  • OldPerry

    Member
    January 22, 2020 at 11:40 pm

    Having multiple cationic polymers is just overkill and most of it just runs down the drain. You could probably simplify and just put 4% Polyquat 7.

  • DeedeeUkulele

    Member
    February 7, 2020 at 8:24 am

    Gunther said:

    Too many cationics can leave a sticky afterfeel, despite it being a rinse off products.
    I don’t think they’ll be comedogenic. If anything, cationics usually have some antibacterial activity.

    Okay, that’s a relief to hear. Thanks!

  • DeedeeUkulele

    Member
    February 7, 2020 at 8:24 am

    Perry said:

    Having multiple cationic polymers is just overkill and most of it just runs down the drain. You could probably simplify and just put 4% Polyquat 7.

    I’ll try that. Thank you!

  • OldPerry

    Member
    February 7, 2020 at 1:29 pm

    I should add that 4% Polyquat 7 is overkill too. You probably won’t notice any difference between 4% and 1%.

  • DeedeeUkulele

    Member
    February 11, 2020 at 6:50 am

    I’m initially including 3% PQ-7 since Swift mentioned a preference for that. But one of these days, I’ll have to experiment with different amounts of PQ-7. (Having a clingy toddler constantly barging into my home lab really limits my time!)

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