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Pattsi said:

high speed
add a lil xanthan
add Hydrogenated polyisobutene a bit
drop diol a bit
or sub NaCl with Magnesium Sulfate
should be ok around 1 month or so

pure KAPPAPHYCUS ALVAREZII EXTRACT 2? or KIRIBIRTH BG 2?

why w/o?

KIRIBIRTH BG, Yes. Thank

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chemicalmatt said:

Aha! @ttk102360 …that’s much better. Heres the problem: you are formulating a high internal phase (H.I.P.) w/o emulsion and you a) do not have a mineral salt to stabilize so ADD NaCl at 1.00% to the water phase; and b) adding a high MW polymer to the disperse phase is a recipe for failure, so DEL the hyaluronate; and c) you have way too much polyol for a stable w/o emulsion like this so REDUCE that glycerin & propylene glycol way down. What you experienced is the phenomenon where inverse-phase emulsions exhibit a viscosity response to sheer (homogenizer, right?) but that viscosity will diminish due to the entropic instability of your formula due to chemistry. 

@chemicalmatt, I did it, the formula has stabilized a lot. I want to know why add NaCl and del HA, it helps to stabilize the formula in this case. Thanks, for your help. Is NaCl stable for all emulsified formulations?

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ngarayeva001 said:

Oh Abil EM 90… as chemicalmatt said, you need salt. You also need a second emulsifier and countless trials and errors. It’s not an easy emulsifier. It also prefers silicones in the oil phase. Replace Propanediol with sodium lactate. It works well in w/o. Not 1.5-2% not 8.

Thank you. I will change according to your opinion. I will give you the results later.

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chemicalmatt said:

Aha! @ttk102360 …that’s much better. Heres the problem: you are formulating a high internal phase (H.I.P.) w/o emulsion and you a) do not have a mineral salt to stabilize so ADD NaCl at 1.00% to the water phase; and b) adding a high MW polymer to the disperse phase is a recipe for failure, so DEL the hyaluronate; and c) you have way too much polyol for a stable w/o emulsion like this so REDUCE that glycerin & propylene glycol way down. What you experienced is the phenomenon where inverse-phase emulsions exhibit a viscosity response to sheer (homogenizer, right?) but that viscosity will diminish due to the entropic instability of your formula due to chemistry. 

Thank you. Part a and b, I will change according to your opinion. Part c, I know polyol too much, but I try to do so, this formula is specifically for people who use a lot of corticosteroids. I tested it with many volunteers. Because, I want to change emulsifier, problematic formulation. Before, I used Seppic’s easynox. After I remake the sample, I’ll give you the results

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Pattsi said:

ttk102360 said:

When I stir the cream sample. High viscosity at stirring. After a day, it reduces viscosity. Let me ask why is that. Thanks

meaning your formula is not stable.

I mean, when I finished stirring the sample, the viscosity of the sample was high. After 1 day, its viscosity decreased (There is no delamination). I don’t know why

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Sorry, I forgot to copy the formula. I want to make a formula with a high extract content and a high moisturizing ingredients.

Water                                                                                     56.5%
Chamomilla Recutita Flower Extract, Acer saccharum Extract, Portulaca Oleracea Extract and Butylene glycol                         10%
Propanediol                                                                                8%
HA( 1% solution)                                                                         5%
Glycerin                                                                                      5%
Water & Helichrysum italicum extract & Phenoxyethanol             1%

Cetyl PEG/PPG-10/1 Dimethicone                                            2.5%
Silica                                                                                           2%
Dicaprylyl Carbonate                                                                   2%
Dimethyl Isosorbide                                                                    2%
Parlem 4                                                                                      5%
Phenoxyethanol (and) Ethylhexylglycerin                                  0.9%

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@emma1985, ngarayeva001Thanks for your opinions.

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@jemolian. According to you, this formula will suit some people. Probably middle-aged people

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With its lipid-soluble ingredients, it has the ability to stimulate signals at the stratum corneum. But I agree with @jemolian‘s

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I also think “oil”, here is vegetable oil. The purpose of this product is to use moisturizers for oily people. But why use Ceramide, Cholesterol. Ceramide can also signal cells and cell membranes, stimulating lipid synthesis. I think it isn’t very good

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I still don’t believe Niacinamide is effective. The studies are still unreliable. The large content of Niacinamide often has quite a few side effects. What do you think? I see studies using only 2%, sometimes 5%

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Thank you for understanding me. I also think like you. I’m worried, the added anti-irritant ingredients lose their effect

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Thank you. I understand the harmful effects of acid. It can play a supporting role or it can act independently. What do you think?

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Yes. The ingredients reduce irritation.

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Perry said:

What do you mean by “the effect of 3 layers of skin…”? 
What blog did you read?

There are 3 mechanisms of moisturizing.

1.  Humectants - Put materials on the skin that draws water to it
2.  Occlusive agents - Put materials on skin that prevents water from leaving the surface
3.  Emollients - Put materials on skin that makes it feel better

Hi, I mean Epidermis, Dermis, Hypodermis

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Perry said:

Water is nothing but water.
Micellar water has surfactants in it that helps to remove oil.
Use a higher level of surfactant to make the makeup remover more effective.
Micellar water is a marketing term, not a scientific term. You can call whatever you want micellar water. The only question is whether your consumers believe it.

Thank you. I think I have to check the surfactant concentration. As @Mark‘s comment, it’s pretty cool. Interestingly, I have more ideas for my products

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Gunther said:

Is that “micellar water” meant to be rinsed off?

If its is, then Panthenol and Glycerin can be removed (or reduced to claim ingredient levels 0.1-0.01%) as they’ll do nothing useful and just end up in the drain.
It it’s not then be careful as glucosides can leave a sticky afterfeel (they even leave a sticky feel in rinse off applications).

Thank you for your review. I think it is also a problem I need to check with panthanol, and glycerine. I think glycerine and glycol, it has good solubility. It helps to remove a few things. I think it’s necessary

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Pharma said:

Perry said:

…
Micellar water is a marketing term, not a scientific term.
You can call whatever you want micellar water. The only question is
whether your consumers believe it.

Not quite; sure, micellar water is mostly used as marketing term but it
is also a scientific one. Every surfactant in water, at a given minimum
concentration (critical micelle concentration aka CMC), builds micelles.
This is one of three (?) feature which makes a surfactant a surfactant
(notably, most non-polymeric emulsifiers have the same features and also
form micelles but these have simply lower HLB values).

The
water in your lavatory or your bathtub is, scientifically speaking,
micellar water once you added enough soap, shampoo or washing agent to
form the first bubbles.

Thank you. You explained very well.

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MarkBroussard said:

Generally, Micellar Waters are not intended to be rinsed off.  Rather, applied with a cotton ball or sponge as a leave-on cleanser.  They also generally contain just a touch of surfactant, in the 1% to 2% range.

Thanks mark. I see a market product like what you say EAU FRAICHE DOUCEUR Micellar Cleansing Water. This product, it advertises no need to rinse with water. I tried makeup remover with lipstick, it still works well. I think it is a very good support step for facial cleanser.

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@ngarayeva001
Yeah. I also have experience in soap. I know how to make transparent soap. But it usually a 100% reaction rate. If c16 is used, or c is larger, the viscosity is higher. But it really isn’t inefficient cleaning. I saw this image in the group about soap. I really want to know if how there is any difference?. And how to make it?

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@Perry. Thank. I want to ask about ingredients

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thank you. I do not have a sample of the EcoDropGel ingredient. Is there a better way? For example, finding a single ingredient.