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ngarayeva001 said:

Hydrolysed protein will break gel network the same way as aloe.

Thank you for the FYI. I am going to try the new formulation today!

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klangridge said:

@SPMX As @Fekher and @ngarayeva001 have highlighted, what gives the product hold once it has been applied? At the moment you are delivering oils and a little bit of thickener which will only add shine/softness and not hold. You need to introduce a fixative to define the curls (e.g. PVP and VP/VA Copolymer at 1-3% each) otherwise they will just drop out once the water has evaporated, and the oils will soften them further so they will hold their shape even less.

Even though you don’t need to neutralise sodium carbomer, it does have an optimum pH, so making sure the pH is between 5.0 - 10.0 may be a good quick check to make and adjusting as required. 

Failing that, up the sodium carbomer in 0.1% increments and see what happens. I have used carbomers up to 1% to make a stiff hair gel before, though not with as many oils in the formulation as this.

Thanks everyone! @klangridge I’m going to increase the carbomer with this next reformulation and remove several of the oils and use hydrolyzed wheat protein. I’m going to get some PVP. I was afraid that it would be to heavy for the hair but I will definitely give it a try. 

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Thanks for responding. It’s a styling gel. Not meant for superhold or anything, but styling for curly hair. 

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Fekher said:

@SPMX you need to reach  25%  of ceteareth 25 or more to have thick pomade .

Thanks Fekhr. I upped it to 21.8%  which worked well but I noticed condensation on the finish product after a few days.

D Water            61%
Ceteareth 25.   21.8%
Vegemoist         2.9%
PEG 40 Hydro Castor   2.4%
Methyl Gluceth 10    2.8%
Ethyhexyl Olivate     2.5%
Helianthus Annuus Seed Oil  1.5%
Hydrolyzed Lin Seed Oil. 1.85%
Fragrance    0.75%
Phenoxyethanol (and) Caprylyl Glycol 1%

 
I’m going to decrease the humectants down to  5%, cut the oils, up the C-25 to 25% and the hydro linseed to 0.90% 

Thanks!

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Hi Everyone!

I’m a licensed esthetician and have been formulating skincare & cosmetic products for a little over 12 years for my company and other small businesses. I’m looking to move into formulating hair care products as well. 

Thanks for having me and I’m excited to be here.