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ngarayeva001 said:

@smok, it’s a cleansing balm:

INCI	%
Mineral oil	62.25%
Cetearyl alcohol and PEG-20 Stearate	10.00%
PEG-40 HCO	12.00%
Stearic acid	10.00%
Cetyl Alcohol	5.00%
Phenoxyethanol (and) Ethylhexylglycerin	0.75%

You don’t need Cyclomethicone for it. It’s a solid cleansing product that should be melted in hands applied on face and rinsed off.

Duophased makeup removers with Cyclomethicone usually look like this:

INCI	%
Aqua	44.35%
Tetrasodium EDTA	0.20%
Butylene Glycol	3.00%
Sodium Chloride	1.25%
Germaben	1.0%
C12-15 alkyl benzoate	2.00%
Cyclomethicone	48.00%
Bisabolol	0.20%

 
This is a liquid product that should be shaken and then applied using a cotton pad. You don’t need to rinse it off.

Both of the products use oil to dissolve makeup. Cyclomethicone can be considered oil for the sake of this discussion.

hello dear i did not find Cetyl Alcohol what is the substitute

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ngarayeva001 said:

I have not seen such products. I think you just invented interesting an approach to packaging.

<3 <3

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ngarayeva001 said:

Here’s an example 

can I make it with carbomer  as gelgel

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esmail said:

ngarayeva001 said:

I totally agree with Perry as learned it myself via trial and error. CAPB goes in the end.

Start with SLES and sulfosuccinate, then mix Cocamide DEA with a little bit of water and heat it to 55-60C. It will make it clear and homogenous. Add cocamide DEA to SLES and sulfosuccinate. Add water and all other ingredients. Then Add CAPB in the very end and adjust the pH. Looking at the combination of surfactants that you have, I think you don’t need any salt.

thanks for your guid

should i add some citric acid (say 0.1%) at the early stages (after adding SLES may be)?

I CONFIRM CAPB goes in the end.

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ngarayeva001 said:

Polyquat 7 and Polyquat 10 are commonly used ones. Keep in mind that 10 is derived from hydroxyethyl cellulose which is a thickener. If you see lumps in the finished profuct just leave it overnight.

ok thanks

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Gunther said:

In my opinion, silicones leave a noticeable, smoother feel than polyquaterniums do.

But most silicones need expensive solubilizers, or complex suspension procedures.
https://chemistscorner.com/cosmeticsciencetalk/discussion/5545/how-to-suspend-dimethicone-in-sles-based-shampoos
While polyquaterniums just need to be poured in and mixed.

I did not know that silicone needs a solubilizers if not

  I chose the  poly without asking my question!

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ngarayeva001 said:

@smok, I shared many of my formulas here and not sure which one you are referring to. Are you referring to CAPB + glucosides facewash?

i do not reaaly remeber when i mee it

mabe is this

Mineral oil 61.65%
Cetearyl Alcohol PEG-20 Wax 10.00% Wax
PEG-40 HCO Dehymul sf 12.00%
Stearic acid 10.00%
Cetyl alcohol 5.00%

Blend of essential oils 0,50%
Conservative 0.75%

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ngarayeva001 said:

I am speaking as an experienced consumer rather than a formulator now.

I don’t think this problem has a solution. There are only two types of products that are really effective for removing make up: 1) cleansing oil/balm and 2) Duo-phased make up remover. Both contain oil (cyclomethicone in #2). The main reason for that, is the fact that make up in most cases is more or less waterproof. Foundation is W/O emulsion, so you need oil to dissolve it.

That is the main reason why so called double cleansing is so popular today. You start wil oil cleanser and follow by surfactant based cleanser.

I saw your simple formula of make-up remover but it does not contain the

cyclomethicone

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MarkBroussard said:

Your problem is that you have 5 ingredients, not 3.  Cut out the glycerine and Glycolic extract of plants … that should solve your problem … you will then have 3 ingredients

(1) water (2) lanoline (3) vaseline (4) glycerine  (5) glycolic extract of plants

my problem is with separation..i will try to cancel gly and
glycolic extract of plants

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em88 said:

Lanolin is w/o emulsifier. Make sure the water phase is up to 1/2 of lanoline quantity and you are good to go. You can add up to 5% cetylic alcohol if you want to incorporate more water.
That is a very easy emulsion, if you are having problem with this kind of formulation I’d strongly suggest to learn more. 

realy you understand me

what you suggest me to learn

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ngarayeva001 said:

Where is your preservative? All products with water should include

preserva

thanks

my problem is with emulsion

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Gunther said:

You’d better start by purchasing a commercial formulation to see what it feels like.
Then reverse engineer it if you like it.

how much it costs formulation

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 warrants  WE PAY even iam new here not only a donation?

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ngarayeva001 said:

Yes, I do really believe in that. In fact, you can formulate a product with polymers and you won’t need silicones because polymeric emulsifiers don’t soap like conventional surfactants do. Or you can formulate a silicone-free product with rather unpleasant texture but market it as natural/green/clean/organic/vegan and people will still buy it.
I have 6 varieties of dimethicone in stock. I am not a “clean” formulator.

what about for prices of polymers  is it cheapper?

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KateCreates said:

This site has some older methods and formulas, some even from when pharmacies formulated at the counter:
http://www.cosmeticsandskin.com/subject.php

really interesting thanks dear

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ngarayeva001 said:

Well there are many “silicone free” brands even now

do you realy believe in that

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Doreen said:

thanks dear

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did not find the box where is it? PICTURE PLEAS

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MarkBroussard said:

I am currently working on a new cosmetic product line that are:  Ingredient-Free

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is this a pomade,? FOR HAIR

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Belassi said:

And what type of cosmetic is this?

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where are you from?

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whu you do not use salt?

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salt is reaally good 

if not your formula is wrong

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if it is for personally use you dont need urea and edta

you should pricing the amount of water water to nomean anythig