[Silvie]

Hello everyone,

To start I would like to thanks to Perry for this terrific space. I follow this forum more than two years now and it is not a lie that I join to read it everyday. I have learned lots of things here and also I experiment a lot. Even thought I can’t answer to any question because my level is not good enough for that, because I only make basic things and because and the most important, there is someone always here that give very good and professional advises. So I would like to thank all you the things you share and teach for everyone for free.

To continue with the thread, I have to say I saw the donate button long time ago and I have also to say that from that moment, is in my mind to donate something when it will be possible for me. If I haven’t do it before is because I could’t. Anyway I think that the amount to donate or even the fact to donate or not, is very personal, I wish everyone could do it because the space deserve it, but I don’t think anyone can push to someone to do it.

I like to read you @johnb and I like to see you are fine and enjoying in a beautiful place. I have also learned a lot from the things you have shared and to say the truth, I miss your answers in the forum, but I understand you have personal reasons for not doing it anymore. 

Best regards to all you, Sylvie.

[Silvie]

If it doesn’t work in cold process soap, maybe it will be better at hot  process, when the pH is low, isn’t it? Anyway I’m trying it. Thank you for the explanation. Also I’m going to try with the colloidal oatmeal in two ways, a basic skin cream and a hair mask the way the people has explained above. Regards.

[Silvie]

Hi everyone, hi Belassi, I read the thread where you talked  about how to make your own hydrolyzed oatmeal
(https://chemistscorner.com/cosmeticsciencetalk/discussion/3228/cream-gets-thin-bodymilk-like#latest)
and now I´d like to experiment with it, but I have some doubts.
“Only a very small amount of NaOH is necessary. I don’t have my lab results to hand, but as I remember, I used about 5g NaOH for every 100g of powdered oatmeal and left it about 30 min…”
What is the amount of water that you use to dissolve the NaOH, is it 1:1?
Also I read it works in handmade soap, can anyone tell me what would be the hydrolyzed oatmeal amount added?
Thank you very much!

[Silvie]

Hi Belassi, I love all your ideas and I hope you can develope a good product. If you like the beer for this purpose, why don’t you make it? I know you will find it very easy and the materials aren’t very expensive, i have just made a course with a brewmaster to learn how to make homemade beer and if I find it simple, I imagine that it will be very very easy for you, I don’t know if you want it, but I can send you my hand notes if you think they can be useful for you. Anyway you’ll find some information on the web.
Last September I learned how to make wine and it is also very simple, I also learned that wine can be made from any fruit, and it does not come out expensive! 
It is only an idea if you want to give it a try!
Cheers. Silvie.

[Silvie]

Hello, thank you very much for your answer. Your comment has been a great help to me.  I also appreciate for your advice on dimethicone, I will keep it in mind and I will look for a product with it in its formulation.

Greetings ƸӜƷ

[Silvie]

Thank you so much for your explanation!! Now it will be easier for me to continue. My new potassium hydroxide has 89% purity and I will have to recalculate, but I do not see problem.
Oh Bill and I think I’ve understood where the values of my saponification table of oils and fats come from, I think they are calculated with the molecular weight you have given.
Thank you, thank you.

[Silvie]

Hi everyone,
i left my soaps with KOH because i found i didn´t like the foam they made (i have read about ricinus oil and in a future i´ll try it)
I wanted the people that used my soaps made from NaOH tell me wich they liked more, but each people liked different soaps by different reasons and I could not come to a conclusion. But of all the soaps I have made, personally there is one that I like very very much and trying to understand why and what is the difference with the others, I think it is because it carries a higher proportion of saturated fatty acids, well, that is what I think by now.

Now I would like to use NaOh and KOH in the same formula, using lots of butters and oils, but I do not know how it is calculated. Yes, there has to be a mathematical logic for this, but I can not find it.
I’ve made a very basic formula to make it easier for me to understand (with three oils) and go around and around (calculating the percentage of each ingredient in the formula, calculating the percentage of NaOH that saponifies each % of oils …), but I’m really stuck on this and I don´t want to use the saponification calculator.

Thanks for reading

[Silvie]

DCan, good luck with your project. If
I were you, I would contract a cosmetic chemist, and a laboratory to
analyze and make all possible tests concerning this substance. I hope you can tell us your progress.

Belassi, How are u doing?! personally I have given myself a rest with this substance. I feel like I am saturated and I am also trying to focus on mathematics. incompatibility!

Regards.

[Silvie]

How many of you heard that on the tv news? Where I live I have never heard anything like it, but it does not mean that it has not happened.
I’m remembering a program of “paranormal things” where they investigated people who died from a self combustion that occurred suddenly. They focused this like something mysterious, I think this link could answer many of their questions

[Silvie]

Belassi, what is no good? Volcano for smoking or your extraction kit? why?

[Silvie]

This is for playful use, what do you think about this for me? It would take a while to buy it if it’s worth it. It is not about CO2 extraction or steam distillation, but it is a way of heating the cannabinoids with steam.

https://www.alchimiaweb.com/classic-volcano-vaporizador-product-998.php

https://www.volcanovaporizer.com/shop_us/en/about/

“I found a kit for around $350 for CO2 extraction and now I can’t find it again” It seems be very very cheap. Have you found it?

Best wishes for your projects.

[Silvie]

If you get a chance to do it and you fancy trying it again, really sounds great.
It will be much more professional than when I make extractions at home (not CO2 and of course without machinery) without being able to analyze them and not know their compounds exactly. There is THC is evident but i don´t know in what quantities etc.
What use will you give it? I would love to use a kind of alembique that I have at home to extract essential cannabis oil, my father built what I think is an alambique, I have all the books and notes of my father, he was an agronomist engineer but I still do not know how to use it.

As far as you can, and within your borders of secrets, please keep us informed.

I have found body care products made from hemp CBD (INCI missing)

http://www.alviolor.com/producto/locion-hidratante-corporal-canamo-body-milk-canamo/

[Silvie]

Hi again, sorry I´m turning this topic around and only for curiosity to see ingredientes I am looking for similar ointments without the derivatives of cannabis and indeed, in Spain they also exist for a long time.

I am realizing something that I have not taken into account until now. While this balm with cannabis costs 100 gr. X €, a similar one without cannabis costs X:3 €. If we do not know for sure if the most expensive ingredient in the formula actually works … It’s a very big price difference.

DCan, in Spain for example 25 gr. of hemp cost Y €, 25 gr of cannabis (sativa, for example) 38xY €. If you want to extract only CBD it is cheaper to make it from hemp, If you want it with THC will raise the price a lot (?). Do you have any assay about the benefits of THC on the skin for beauty? I’m just asking to learn.

I think it’s true that there are not enough studies on cannabis and less for beauty, but I think if no one cares about this substance, if no one talks about it or test it … etc, there will be fewer studies yet!

thanks, greetings

[Silvie]

This is exactly how it smells i used it because my horrible neck and back pain, and after swimming i put this and it was very relaxing and pleasuring, the icy-hot results recomfortable. The pain down.
 
“Gaultheria oil (wintergreen oil) comprises over 90% methyl salicylate” this amount is too much for an allergic person to this compound
“You seem to be ignoring capsaicin as a source of skin irritation.”  This must be the very very hot sensation too.

I do not know if I ask them to make me one without cannabis, salicylic, and capsaicin. I would try it but I can not be the guinea pig, I need something that works for sure.
I need a cream without methyl salicylate that works, under prescription now. I need to take aspirin tests again, maybe I no longer have intolerance.
I will discover many things through this thread

[Silvie]

ointment ingredients:
Hemp seed oil, Caprylic / capric triglycerides, Copernicia cerifera, cannabis extracts CBD (futura 75) & THC (Northern Lights), capsaicin, essential oils of gaultheria procumbens, cinnamomum camphora, rosmarinus officinalis, menthol.

Belassi, i´ve seen the effect “Icy hot”  that you are referring to, happens in this ointment i thought it is due to cinnamomum camphora and menthol, not to wintergreen (gaultheria). I have to say i love the smell of this liniment.
I never expected salicylic acid, salicylate or others could be gaultheria procumbens derivatives. I knew about Salix alba

DCan, But if you want infused CBD not from hemp but from Cannabis I or S, you´ll also get THC. I don´t know if THC for beauty is appropiate. Maybe microorganisms onto the skin will be very happy Or you get it without THC? how? Do you separate it somehow? Or are you going to use THC as well?

[Silvie]

The first thing I did alone was a chemistry experiment from a golden book. It was a real failure. The first thing I have formulated and done for myself have been a lot of soaps with Naoh and Koh. The best thing is that I have so many soaps that a large part of them have been used to raise funds for a colony of kittens in my neighborhood.

[Silvie]

Thanks for your reply. I think I misunderstood my question, I have allergy to acetylsalicylic acid (aspirin) I think that just as I have this allergy to this compound, it can be extended to its derivatives, even put onto the skin.
I will be careful about Methyl salicylate.

I am confused and surprised. This ointment has essential oil of wintergreen, Methyl salicylate! I have to say that I have not noticed any allergy symptoms but I will stop using it, for this reason and for others of which I am realizing now.
I am grateful that you helped me to discover this.

Another question would be whether it is possible that some cosmetic or personal care product may have a small amount of salicylic acid and is not in the INCI.

[Silvie]

yes, i think marketing ploy is very important when you sell something (but is more important be realistic and not exaggerating).
I am going to propose that they make an ointment with the same ingredients but without the derivatives of cannabis. Although this would be only an empirical experiment and not one based on any scientific study. I guess they would not want because as they sell and defend the benefits of cannabis, what would happen If they realize that the ointment works the same without cannabis? Haha

And about salycilate, is it listed in the INCI? i make this question because I’m allergic to salicylic acid, I often wonder if that compound is not listed in some cosmetics I use what could happen. I do not know if it is possible that this ingredient is not listed on any label.

[Silvie]

Belassi, currently there is a legal vacuum in Spain regarding private cannabis clubs. Near my work there is one where I participate and they make an ointment based on decaboxylated CBD (different extracts), capsaicin and essential oil of gaultheria procumbens, cinnamomum camphora and menthol among other ingredients. I have to say about my experience and other people, it works for muscle and joint pains. The question would be whether it is due to cannabis or it is due to the other ingredients, or it is due to all of them.

[Silvie]

Just for curious, i can´t help you.
I have tried hemp cold presed seed oil onto the skin and for eating. It´s not the same than infusing Cannabis  Sativa or Cannabis Indica or Cannabis ruderalis in any kind of oil or solvent (i have done it too) The purposes and results are differents. In Spain, Cannabis infused (Cannabidiol, CBD, THC…) is used for some kind of pain, or medical use, or other purposes, not for beauty. What are your products for?

[Silvie]

Now it is clearer for me, Belassi, i was wrong thinking that hot soap process is finished when it is hard. Thanks for that note. Measuring the ph confirms, now is obvious hahaha.
I have followed hot process using the same formulas i used (in hot process too) but adding some organic ingredients, for comparing . Waiting to see the results.
Very gentle. Greetings.

[Silvie]

“All of these fancy bits and bobs should/must be added to the completed soap, not introduced during saponification”.

I guess i must investigate more, I appreciate these clarifications:
is difficult for me to explain myself in english what i really want, sorry if i don´t achieve.
how can i know in my home with no material when the soap is completed? 
i think the soap would be hard at this point. Are they somehow added when the soap is hard? Is it so? if not, are added when the reaction is still fluid?

thank you for your advice about undesirable side reactions, because I would not like , i think you are meaning about harmful interactions for health or dangerous for physical or material safety? or other kind of reactions or effects. I know the basics reactions for safety, but no further.

@johnb Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causa.

Sincerely thank you.

Agree Belassi, at this point i will continue until i have an own opinion, and try a lot of things! Thank you!!

Happy for learning a lot in this forum.

[Silvie]

Thank you very much for the explanations.
I already have the PH strips.

[Silvie]

Hi, i don´t know if this could be helpful for you. I´m trying to understand shampoo formulation for making my own, in this forum you´ll find a lot of post about shampoo formulation, enough for you can begin trying it or know which ones are expersive or cheaper.
And this has been helpful for me to understand some things about formulation and there is a shampoo example too:
“How To Knock-Off a Cosmetic Formula”
A 10-Step System For
Researching, Creating, and Testing Existing Personal Care and
Cosmetic Formulations…
Perry Romanowski

You can find it for free in ChemistsCorner site

Sorry for my english

[Silvie]

I don´t think you are going to have any communication problem in Barcelona with your spanish-mexican and with your english. For the reason that Pete explained to you, they take great care of the language. There are some companies that only hire you if you speak Catalán, but in a daily life, I think you will not have any problems with your customers, suppliers or friends.

In the Basque country I was once on vacation. Politically speaking, they live in another way the oppression suffered during the dictatorship, and it is more common to hear people speaking Castilian than in Barcelona to hear people speaking Castilian. 6o% understand Basque, but they speak it with difficulty. In Catalonia speaks Catalán and understands it more than 75% of the population.