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Fekher said:

@samsal where is your emulsifier in the system? oliwax is not then you pass the level of use of it. 

I was using the peg 40 as the emulsifier 

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Graillotion said:

samsal said:

Graillotion said:

Don’t know the answer to your question…but you’re going to need a real preservative.  Even with the unlisted (adulterations) ingredients that company uses, those products are WEAK.

What would be considered a “real” preservative?

“Real” preservatives are ones that work.    Here is a beginning link:  The best cosmetic preservatives - Chemists Corner

There are many additional tools available on this site if you search.

Happy formulating. 

Thank you very much! 

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Gordof said:

hi There 

Heating Water to 110 °C is literally impossible. your water will evaporate a lot in the Lab it may not be a problem but in the Production, it will be. 

For the wax / Oil phase I would suggest you switch at least some of the Candelilla wax to a more soft Butter or wax. Candelila Wax is very hard and the pick-up is very difficult it is normally used in sticks and stuff to make them hard. you can use a Shea Butter or a Cacobutter for a more soft pick-up. Although I would try to use some Liquid oils to get a better spreadability. 

I personally would get rid of candelilla completely and use a bee wax or a vegan alternative for that if you need to stay vegan. I am not the biggest expert for pomade but I would although may use some Cetearyl alcohol for Structure (3-5%). 

Another question for me is the PEG 40 Amount that is used as far as I remember the amonsensyl is already a self-emulsifing system that is capable of “emulsifying” quite some oil phases and I don’t see the necessity of adding even more Emulsifier / Solubilizer to the system with PEG 40 and 10 % seams a little much if you need some additional Emulsification. 

For Preservative I would go for Sodiumbenzoat and Kaliumsorbat Combination at a Ph of 5.0 the propanediol will not be sufficient I would guess. 

First and foremost thank you for taking the time to write such an in depth response. I believe Im going to nix the Candellila wax altogether and replace it with a butter and add an oil. As for the PEG 40, I was informed by another person that makes hair products that it helps with improving the texture and makes the pomade more spreadable. The Amino sensyl I added more so for the conditioning properties for hair, I didnt know it is also used as an emulsifier/solubilizer. 

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Graillotion said:

Don’t know the answer to your question…but you’re going to need a real preservative.  Even with the unlisted (adulterations) ingredients that company uses, those products are WEAK.

What would be considered a “real” preservative?

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One more thing, big key point is that this formula contains non petroleum products and is vegan or as close to plant based as possible. 

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MelindaNicole said:

I know this is from a month ago but MySkinRecipes carried Lithium magnesium sodium silicate. https://www.myskinrecipes.com/shop/th/anti-settling-%E0%B8%9B%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%B0%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%99/9542-lithium-magnesium-sodium-silicate-laponite.html

Another optioin might me TKB thickening clay (Quaternium-90 Sepiolite, Quaternium-90 Montmorillonite) https://tkbtrading.com/products/tkbs-thickening-clay

I personally haven’t used either of them, or hetorite gel so I can’t give personal experience but from what I’ve read it sounds promising.

Thank you so much, its greatly appreciated!

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ok great, thank you!

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ok thank you very much!

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Ok thank you so much. Im very new to this so I wasnt sure what ingredients are swappable. Am I safe to assume that most ingredients are swappable for other ingredients with similar properties?

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Ahhh, I see. Do you reckon I could just switch this ingredient out with another? Any thoughts on what I could switch this out with?