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Just spitballing…
I wonder if you use a thinner, more porous wood that would improve your diffusion rate. I am thinking of this one specific substrate from Fasson or Avery (I can look it up if you need it) that is a very thin layer of wood… something slightly less than a cardboard journal cover, but flexible and porous. laser cut the shapes you want, and then soak that in your fragrance. the material I am thinking of has some “eco-friendly” certifications as well, so you can use that in your marketing as well.
what kind of wood are you using right now and how thick is it? is it polished? the more porous the better. Newer wood is also better. Older woods are more resinous inside, and much denser. That’s why old growth Poly Santo and sandalwood chips smell awesome when burned… the resin is on the inside and melts as it heats up. vs hardware store pines and Doug firs, which are usually much less dense (makes them easy to construct with!). And way more diffusive! You know how Home Depot has a cut lumber smell? That’s why! I think that’s why, anyway. #hypothesis
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Do you know the formula to the fragrance? There are a few aromachemicals that can “fix” a fragrance to make it more long lasting. Many of the tops and hearts in a shampoo formulation vaporize in the shower setting. There are a number of aromachemicals classified as “base notes” that *will* stay on skin or hair for several hours. You would mix your base note formulation into your fragrance, and then your fragrance into your carrier. Depending on the chemical used, that should pop out your notes and slow the burn.
You can also use something like AromaFix (available at Lotioncrafter) at 2-5% to help fix the fragrances, but I don’t have a lot of experience with it outside of an ETOH based fine fragrance.
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SUPER quick phone reply
Love your thinking - I feel like Dior is probably Symrise flagship client but this is the opinion of lil nobody me.
Reason I’m updating this thread -
Saw this in December and was reminded of it today: (see attachment - can’t paste easily from phone)
From the branding dept: “Proprietary formulation that blends water and oil seamlessly and lasts just as long as alcohol-based perfumes, absorbing quickly and cleanly into the skin.”
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interested in this as well.
not at all sure if this is helpful for you, but this is the ingredients list for j’dore
#16455 AQUA (WATER) • PARFUM (FRAGRANCE) • BUTYLENE GLYCOL • GLYCERIN • PENTYLENE GLYCOL • CAPRYLIC/CAPRIC/SUCCINIC TRIGLYCERIDE • CITRUS AURANTIUM AMARA (BITTER ORANGE) FLOWER WATER • HYDROGENATED LECITHIN • HYDROXYCITRONELLAL • BENZYL SALICYLATE • HEXYL CINNAMAL • HYDROXYACETOPHENONE • CHLORPHENESIN • CITRONELLOL • LIMONENE • ALPHA-ISOMETHYL IONONE • TRIETHYL CITRATE • POLOXAMER 407 • SODIUM CITRATE • PHYTOSTEROLS • LINALOOL • GERANIOL • CITRIC ACID • PENTAERYTHRITYL TETRA-DI-T-BUTYL HYDROXYHYDROCINNAMATE • CINNAMYL ALCOHOL • BENZYL BENZOATE • CITRAL • BENZYL ALCOHOL • BENZYL CINNAMATE
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Watching thread. I am keenly interested in odor reduction techniques. Sorry I don’t have anything to contribute at this moment!
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I understand what you are talking about. A non-technical person I work with beamed fizzily after he thought he “cracked the perfumery code” by asking ChatGPT a few questions, and then he was emboldened to make some big changes in his organization. But if he ran the GPT output by anyone with a trained eye they would have bat it down immediately.
Copy paste that dynamic over entire populations. Where a (currently) inaccurate GPT confidently answers questions and emboldens non-technical people or shallow thinkers to do things.
What program was it, if you don’t mind me asking? I’ve been pitched a lot of AI formulation helpers lately. Would be good to know what to sidestep.