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At 1000 ppm, copper peptide is clearly blue in a bottle where you can see the depth. But if you (in an emulsion - or even a serum) then use up to 10% of this solution to make a finished product, it’s not at all blue. For that reason, you know any serum is clearly dyed. And never is it listed. 

Thank you all for your input

Rosa

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I have read different studies in papers on the effect of copper peptides. Some claim the GHK alone also has the same effects. 

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Thank you both!

Yeas, agree, they mean % of a stock solution when they refer to concentration, but surprised it is allowed then to rank the ingredient in the list according to that. Also, a copper peptide serum which is clearly coloured blue unless they dumped a whole gram of the actual copper powder in 100ml (which obviously didn’t happen), and doesn’t have any mention of the dye in the ingredient list. Surely this isn’t allowed.

@Perry, it’s likely they put minute amounts to claim it on the label

There are no list anywhere that says recommended amounts to make a difference on the skin?

Rosa

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Hi Patrick and thanks.

No, I understand I need a emulsifier, but I do not want a whitish final product which has always been the case with P 80?

Is 5% oils better, so for 5% oils, I would start with 2.5% P80? And that should clear?

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@Pharma Thank you, any chance you could send it via email to ma.jo57@hotmail.com? I would be very interested to read it!

Rosa

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thanks, I will look into this!

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Hi Perry and thanks,

I have used olivem1000 and BTMS, as well as polawax in the past. I am using a variety of oils and butters such as avocado, argan, olive, coconut, coconut etc.

If plant based, it would be good, but if not it would still be ok I think.

What would be a really good emulsifying system, producing this light peaky cream?

Rosa

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It is O/W emulsion at 18% oils

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OK, I will do that. Thanks

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Thanks. I looked at the presentation, but they don’t mention emulsions either so still not sure how to use in a o/w emulsion?

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Because of the mattifying and wrinkle hiding properties <span>:smile:</span>

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Thanks a lot for that info. A lot easier to buy from there!

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Thanks a lot for your reply! I will try some formulations in the weekend and see.

 

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Would it be possible to create a cream gel, similar to what the Gelmaker EMU can make using Carbomer and polysorbate? If so, should I first hydrate the carbomer in some of the water while make the emulsion with the rest of the water and oils and the Polysorbate, and then pour together? Also, what kind of percentages to use?

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That does sound about the same. Thanks a lot for that tips!

Would it be possible to get anywhere same result with carbomer and polysorbate?

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Thanks a lot! I will look into that!

Rosa

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I know. The only problem is it is about $50 for shipping, so I want to get hold of something similar closer to home. 

But thanks for the reply!

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I made the cream like MarkBroussard advice and it turned out looking really different and very stable and I am really grateful for this Mark! Thanks a lot for the advice all of you, but this specific advice was really suited to my cream

Really appreciate it!

Rosa

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I will try the formulation with OliveMulse with added glyceryl stearate (2%), cetyl alcohol (1%) and xanthan gum (0.2%)..so a bit excited!

I presume this means I should reduce hard wax/butters by the extra 3% glyceryl stearate and cetyl alcohol?

Also, should I leave out the xantan gum along with all the other ingredients until stable emulsion is formed? And then add in one by one of the ingredients?

Thanks for all help!

Rosa

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Thank you so much!

Rosa

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Oh..thanks! I didn’t have any idea!

Rosa

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Thanks a lot for all the help..have ordered ingredients and with make trials once they arrive!

What is the difference between the different numbers (SP10, 50 or 70), Belassi?

Rosa

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Thank you so much - I will try this and see how I get on.

How long is usually necessary to homogenise/emulsify to form stable emulsion as I think the fact that with some creams, likr the one separation, I am not able to stir more than 5-7 mins..that really is too short? What I cannot understand is why it goes really viscous so quich, just to turn runny after?

Another question; A friend of mine is in the food industry and gave me some samples of food emulsifiers, i.e sucrose esters (Sucrosilk SP10) or Sucrose Ester SP50..anyone heard of this before being used in cosmetics/creams?

Thanks again!

Rosa

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Most of these are going into the water phase heated, except hydrolyzed proteins. How should I add them, dissolved in small bit of water? Not as powder I suppose? Why is that better? I do need quite a lot of water to dissolve in..

I suppose that would be a way to see if any specific ingredient is causing problems, but I have no idea how to add those ingredients after?

I am using the low molecular weight HA, is that ok? What is the difference from a formulating point of view?

I know I have a lot to read and I have made creams some time, but it has been stable lately, so very surprised the separation issue starts again!

And I am very happy for all the help!

Rosa

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I am using an emulsifier (cheaper version of a Silverson type), but as it goes thick really quick when cooling (5-7 mins) I am not able to stir much longer, but have to continue hand whisking…could that be the problem?

Would those extra ingredients likely stabilise BTMS as well? When using BTMS, I usually use a combination of BTMS and E-wax, i.e. 4% BTMS and 2% E-wax, which I have seen other people do..

Thanks!

/Rosa