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chemicalmatt said:

Polyquaternium-10 low MW (JR400 clones like Conditioner P10 from 3V Sigma) work best for thick, curly hair, hands down, especially when used with silicones (from sand - natural, I swear), and I’ll agree with ketchito, less than 1.00% w/w is plenty, no need to use more, and it will build up too. 

Thank you.

What silicones?
 Dimethicone, cyclomethicone?

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ketchito said:

@Rookayerh123 PQ-10 can buil-up heavily on hair, and if the formula is sulfate-free, it’d be harder to remove most of the polymero on each wash. I’ve never tried more than 0.5% (providing it’s a 100% polyquat) precisely for this build-up. Some companies mix low amounts of both PQ-10 and PQ-7 (PQ-7 not only builds-up less, but since it’s a copolymer, it has more “mobility” than polysaccaride based cationics like PQ-10 and Guar HPTC, which translates in more lubrication especially during the wet stage).   

Thank you. I plan to use poly quat 10 at 0.4%.

If I were to use poly quat 7, what % would you recommend. 

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chemistry8303 said:

Hello

In my experience , quat 10 is better and softener than quat 7 for curly hair. you can use it in 2% .

Thanks. But I have read using more than 0.5% poly quat 10 can give the product an unwanted feel? Have you used the 2% before or at what % have you used it

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Hey guys please I really need help with this formula.

Alpha olefin sulphonate 28%
CAPB 13%
*i want to use an ASM of 13% that is mild enough for curly hair.

Polyquat 0.3%
Glycerin 1%
Fragrance 0.5%

Water

For thickening, I would like to use xanthan gum but because of the poly quat I cannot. What % of guar gum can I use. 

If I use a liquid thickner, then at what percentage. 

@Perry

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@ketchito thank you very much. Can I use both xanthan gum and polyquat in the formula and at what percentages do you recommend.

Also can I add fragrance oil at 0.5-1% or do I still still need a solubilizer. 

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MaisR said:

I am by no means an expert in formulating haircare but coco glucoside and cocamidopropyl betaine are mild surfactants. A blend of surfactants will typically make a surfactant gentle and mild.

SCI is a powdered/noodle surfactant and I am not sure if it can be used in a liquid formulation.

I am not sure about xantham gum or guar gum but, if they can be used in a surfactant system, I imagine it will be at a low %

Hope this helps a bit.

Thank you. Will there be lather from the cocamidoproply betaine and coco glucoside blend?