RawMaterialGirl
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I do not recommend to work with these dyes at your home. They are very hazardous and if you don’t know what you’re doing from a toxicology and safety standpoint there can be issues. Although you’re well aware of handling, you aren’t sure of the regulations or formulation parameters - hazard doesn’t stop at the handling - it goes to the consumer in the finished product. I would overcome your bad experiences and hire someone who has experience handling these dyes.
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I think the reviews are fake. I make shampoos for a living and this had to be the worst shampoo I’ve ever put in my hair.
By the way, make sure you were using 4% active SLES (usually it comes in 30% active) vs just 4% of a 30% solution. You might get more foam. -
I recommend Catalyst Technologies (they represent ICSC) or Integrity Ingredients for actual distributors.
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MetalizeMerz said:ALS will release NH3 at high pH.
Please check your pH if it is higer than 5.5.
Also, please use pH buffer for stabilizing the product.pH is good - at 5.5. What is the most appropriate buffer for ALS?
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The downside to using color standards - even Pantone color books - is that they fade. Pantone books also discolor, and you can have three Pantone books and they all look very slightly different. You can also reference color standards, which should have regulated storage conditions and be replaced every six months or less, but even that has drawbacks. If you rely on color accuracy for your business and are serious about quality control with color, I highly recommend investing in a spectrophotometer.
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It’s the betaine - it’s a tertiary amine and is prone to discoloration.
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If the ingredient is missing on the IL, and it’s actually in the product, the product is considered misbranded. Under no circumstances should you use the labels. Ingredient labels are for the purpose of safety and disclosure to the consumer.
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Even with PVP you’re not going to get much hold - you would have too many plasticizers in the formula.
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It depends which colorant you’re using to deposit the color. If you’re using acid violet 43, you’ll need a specific grade.
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This is actually a pretty popular professional straightening system - it’s a low pH system and many vendors are starting to sell variations of it. Unfortunately, you will have lots of color being pulled from the hair on this and there is no way to avoid it. 10-20% (or higher!) is a very common use level. Also - there tends to be mercaptan odor in processing the hair.
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I have found that the Inolex materials require a higher use level in my types of formulations.
Have you considered a phenoxyethanol blend like Botanistat PF-64?
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Do you have any percentages? It’s hard to tell without knowing how much you mixed together of each.
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There are many “homemade” starter formulas on the Internet. Start there, and then go with trial and error. Or, I am sure there are many consultants on here who would help for a fee.
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Hi Aqeel,
All you have to do is use Google to search “journal of cosmetic science” and then pertinent terms like “hair dye” “monoethanolamine”, etc. papers will come up even if you can’t access http://www.scconline.org.
Just look for five minute color ingredients on the Internet (just for men, etc). You should be able to figure out which ingredient is for the progressive dying.
You will have to research the ingredient anyway if you pdon’t know how to use it, and this will be more valuable than just telling you the answer - I spent years training in hair color and this is the most effective way to learn and understand.
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That would be interesting to know (if yellowing can be arrested). I would be surprised.
@belassi - can you try neutralizing with 2-amino-2-methyl-1-propanol? I’ve had success with this and the similar carboxylic acid you’re using. MEA can be damaging to hair over time, and if someone is using oxidative color and there are unreacted dye molecules in the hair, it can be a nightmare on their color. Of course, all depends on how much you’re using… But as a color chemist a main reason I avoid MEA.
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If you have access to the Journal of Cosmetic Science, there are articles over the years about hair color.
If you dont have anyone to mentor you, I would look at current products on the market and see what their ingredients are. Go through each one and look up what they do. You’ll see the active in 5-minute hair color.
Also see if the suppliers of your dyes can offer training.
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Hhhmm…. Let me think a bit then about what we can do!
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Cali SCC just had David Steinberg do a presentation on colors - go to http://www.caliscc.org/education and look for the blog article about color. There is also a presentation to download. May give you a good insight into pigments, lakes, dyes, etc.
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Hmmm… What about fumed silica for thickening? I would be interested to see how it works for sulfate-free systems. Evonik Aerosil may be able to help
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PL = Private label.
Are you talking hair gels?
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A strong grasp of organic chemistry will help you solve all of your questions.
Your cream is becoming black because the dyes are oxidizing; any time you have oxidative dyes and they are exposed to air, you will get oxidation and it will turn black.
As far as the thinning goes, oxidative dyes can affect the viscosity of your cream, but your formula is really vague, and it sounds like you need a more stable base.
Please don’t take this the wrong way, but you’ve advertised yourself as a manufacturer of hair dye products, and your other questions on Chemists Corner indicate that you are not experienced in hair color chemistry (or chemistry) at all. Hair color chemistry isn’t like making a regular cosmetic product; its reactive chemistry and it can be very dangerous to the end consumer if you don’t know what you’re doing. Hair color chemists are typically organic chemists that can spend years training. A course in organic chemistry will help you get started, and searching any information online about the types of alkalizers and how to properly balance dyes should give you a good direction.
Good luck!
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AMP is also pretty handy. I try to avoid MEA at all costs, but then again I work with hair color.
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Sucragel!
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TiO2 is only “known to cause cancer in the state of California” when it is in the unbound, respirable form. So you’ll likely see non-powder products being sold in CA that don’t have to have that warning, since the TiO2 is not air-borne.
The workaround, I would imagine, is if you can utilize liquid binders in the powder. While the TiO2 would be air-borne, it would not be unbound and thus not subject to have the cancer-causing warning on the label.
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Hhhmm… Would fumed silica work in any application? One that has the same refractive index would thicken your oil a and still leave a clear solution. Just throwing an idea out there!