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@starlord13 the amount of SLES & CAP Betaine is fair for hand wash, but their are other factors that influence the foaming
1. The water hardness (use EDTA ~0.1% )
2. Add foam boosting Surfactants (CC DEA)

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For daily use shampoo you need
1. Anionic Surfactant (SLES)
2. Amphoteric surfactant (foam booster, mildness, anti irritating)
3. Amine CC DEA
4. GLUCOSIDE
5. A humectant ..

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What type of oil you are using?? Their is no soap with single oil, the basic of soap making is know the oil blends and each oil profile.
Blend of
1. Hard oils & Soft oils + Caustic soda(based on Saponification Value) + Stearic acid + Water used to make lye solution.

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If you post your startup formula is better to help you
The face wash foam should be no irritant to skin.
1. SLES                    10
2. CC DEA           1
3. COCO GLUCOSIDE   0.5
4. CAP BETAINE  5
5. GLYCEROL
6. Isopropyl myristate 0.2
7. PEG-7 Glyceryl Cocoate 1

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Simple recipe works well
Water phase
1. Water
2. EDTA            0.1
3. Glycerol                         2
4. Cetrimonium chloride     2
Oil phase
1. Cetearyl alcohol            5
Heat separated to 78© add oil to water mix for 20 min 

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This formula works well
SLES70:               10%,
CAPB                   4%,
Coco glucoside   0.5%
CDEA                    1%,
PEG 7 GC    0.5%,
Frag            0.15%,

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Thanks all i find KRATON G EP Polymer 
(Ethylene/propylene based polymers)
Which solved my problem of thickening paraffin oil.

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Quimico said:

Gordof said:

to thicken an oil you need either a Polymer which is oil soluble or you need a Wax / Butter that is compatible with your main oil and does not recrystallize visible in it. in your case, i would say you can use Vaseline for example or high viscose paraffin oil depends on the viscosity you wanna go for.

I would recommend using Polyamide-8 as polymers, tradenames for example are OleoCraft™ there are different types out there and you can ask the supplier for advice on which one to use for your product to get the best performance. they need to be usable with your main oil so ask them Realy it can go wrong otherwise. but you can then get from low to high viscose oils “gel”

Thanks Gordof, What type of wax, other polymer thickeners are not available in my country.

I have microwax & paraffin wax

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Gordof said:

to thicken an oil you need either a Polymer which is oil soluble or you need a Wax / Butter that is compatible with your main oil and does not recrystallize visible in it. in your case, i would say you can use Vaseline for example or high viscose paraffin oil depends on the viscosity you wanna go for.

I would recommend using Polyamide-8 as polymers, tradenames for example are OleoCraft™ there are different types out there and you can ask the supplier for advice on which one to use for your product to get the best performance. they need to be usable with your main oil so ask them Realy it can go wrong otherwise. but you can then get from low to high viscose oils “gel”

Thanks Gordof, What type of wax, other polymer thickeners are not available in my country.

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Abdullah said:

Use some petroleum

What kind of petroleum??

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Perry said:

You can’t use Carbomer to thicken an oil.

Although, perhaps you have other ingredients in your formula?

I am using paraffin oil only Which is mineral oil

Can i use carbomer and TEA only?

Thanks Perry i will known you my results
My trial was 0.2% Carbomer

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Perry said:

Thanks for adding the follow-up!  It makes the forum better by letting people know whether advice worked.

Thanks Perry

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My trial was 0.2% Carbomor

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chemicalmatt said:

Hola’ @Quimico, formula no servir hoy?
DELETE the stearic acid, it is incompatible with cationic alkyl quaternary. Also, add some mineral oil or other aceite to emulsify here or this will be only a rinse. The CETAC alone should work, but if not add small amount of Ceteareth-20 and you’ll be OK. Sodium chloride (sal) will thicken that system too, which many formulators aren’t aware.

Thanks it worked 

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Use EDTA 0.1% AS PRESERVATIVE & CHELATING AGENT 

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If you formulated properly the final product ph will be 5-6 no need for adjustment
Use
Water 
EDTA
GLYCEROL 
SLES
CC DEA
CA BETAINE
SALT AND ADDITIVES 

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I recommend you the following formula;
1 water
2. LABSA   11%
3. caustic soda 1.4%
4. SLES          7%
5. STPP      1%
THICKNER salt up to 2.5%
This is a very stable formula with high foam & good cleaning properties 

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High fragrance & very little Ethanol you are using, the amount of Alcohol should be greater than 10%.
Use different type of fragrances from 0.4-1%
Solubilize with tween 20,

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Can you separate the items by phase??
1. Oil phase
2 water phase, additives …..

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Fekher, sorry wrongly my assistant added PARAFFIN OIL Instead of Glycerine
Thanks

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ameelyaah0422 this formula will work great for high foaming degreaser
1. LABSA               12%
2. Caustic soda    1.5%
3. SLES70               8%
4. STPP.                   3%
PH TO 12

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betaine - 24% is too much 

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Thanks PERRY, Good result achieved with Hydroxyethylcellulose,.

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I suggest you this formulation
1. Water
2. Caustic soda 1.5
3. LABSA        11
4. SLES(70)     8
5. STPP             1
6. SALT               1
7. COLOR 
PH 10
DON’T ADD PERFUME IN DISHWASH FORMULATION
THE SLES WILL SOLVE THE PRECIPITATION PROBLEM 

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Thanks PERRY, i want to improve the hair growth caracter and emulate, and make sure the quantity of paraffin is fair.