PhilGeis
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Phenyl ethyl is not so good vs. Gram positives. For headspace - IF it volatilizes from your product at level - it might inhibit Gram neg’s and fungi.
https://microbeonline.com/phenylethyl-alcohol-agar-pea-principle-composition-and-preparation/
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Wet sponge - micro compromise of both the product and implement.
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As Graillotion said, the “new preservative” is not novel - a marketing combination and nothing special. You need something for fungi.
Your current preservative is overkill. Drop the phenoxy entirely, Germall+ should ~3000 ppm. A chlelar (EDTA is appropriate).
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There was the famous problem in the 70’s that really fired up the FDA back then https://europepmc.org/article/med/409295
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They accepted the fair accompli of 4000 pages. It’s on them - but doubt they’d have read it if it was on its own
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Of course there were ALL those hearings from experts and congressmen read every page before voting.
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think about exposure and use - what role spit, tap water have in consumer use and does product take up water on its own.
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@Graillotion
They’re some of my friends, so I’d be a bit kinder.
Who pushed it through? I know the big guys wanted federal preemption of California and other state crazies and got it here. The rest of the bill is just what they’re doing now and it dumps on the rest of the industry. Win Win.As for the moronic politicians - I spoke to the cos of the original model bill a few years back and asked “why?”. response was - this is a unregulated category and we’re worried about things like Wen and hair loss.
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@Rockstargirl
Look at marketed products from major brands. Wouldn’t put much confidence in Glyceryl caprylate. “caprate”
Will formula, package, implement and anticipated use bring water/Aw into consideration?
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@Ghita37
Consider - https://panmore.com/procter-gamble-mission-statement-vision-statement-analysis
It can be actionable. I recall pointing out with effect that specific production with limited micro quality was not consistent with our mission “We will provide branded products and services of superior quality..” -
The bill is legislation for legislation sake. The lawmakers know nothing of Etsy - they can’t stand an industry that isn’t heavily regulated. CFSAN (FDA division responsible for cosmetics) cares about food and knows about nothing of cosmetics.
For Safety Substantiation - I see a bunch of cynical “toxicologists” rubber stamping “SAFE” along the lines of EWG’s certification. -
@Graillotion
those guys will get the least attention -
@MarkBroussard
There will be plenty of $$ services to fill the gap. Be glad they didn’t include a California-style bounty hunter clause. -
Dont think EWG’s BS will pass but i bet those guys will sell something as shallow but looks better.
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Prob not
Section 608 requires Responsible Persons to ensure, and maintain records supporting, “adequate substantiation” showing a cosmetic product is “safe,” and establishes a safety standard that products must meet in order to be marketed in the U.S. MOCRA defines “adequate substantiation of safety” as meaning “tests or studies, research, analyses, or other evidence or information that is considered, among experts qualified by scientific training and experience to evaluate the safety of cosmetic products and their ingredients, sufficient to support a reasonable certainty that a cosmetic product is safe.”
Cosmetic products that do not have adequate safety substantiation will be considered adulterated under section 601 of the FDCA. -
Part s that do not appl to < 1 mill annually - registration and formal GMP’s. FDA will develop small business GMP’s.
Adverse event record keeping, documented safety assessment and labeling change are for everyone.
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January 25
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Why Dermasoft ECO? It’s a very questionable preservative system - esp. in a shampoo.
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@GeorgeBenson
Not yet - FDA has one year to generate.
I’d look at what’s in Cosm Directive. -
@chemicalmatt
Did you see any funding for the FDA to cover these new responsibilities. -
@chemicalmatt
Thanks for the details - what total garbage. -
Right Perry.
The big guys and PCPC are all in support - allegedly because it preempts the states. That mid sized guys are screwed with useless paperwork and administrative burden is just “sad” collateral damage. -
@mikethair
I’m with you in old - and most hard surface cleaners have an alkaline pH. Protein is often more soluble at alkaline pH. -
You might consider the approach of the major guys - pay attention to the peripheral elements, as simple as they seem - an attractive package: easily manipulated, effective closure that does clog or leak, label that does fade or wash out, that doesn’t leave inaccessible residual product, staged well on shelf; a stable consistent product without phase or color change, syneresis, mold etc. : Support with convincing targeted ads.
The big guy’s cost structures demands extensive repeat purchase tro make money - so all the above and more must be consistent through time and geography as cost savings are pursued at all levels. A true technical innovation consumers can perceive would help a lot but those are very rare in cosmetics.
For example, P&G did not make money with Pringles until almost a decade after introduction. -
btw Squinny
PlantserveE is not enough - you need something for fungi/Gram +’s as Mark said and at a proper pH