OldPerry
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I’m not sure you could ever trust products.
We used to sell a product called “Hot Oil Treatment”. There was no oil in it. But it was a very popular product and it made the hair look and feel great.
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@Susan25 - To be fair, I think most people care about what’s true or not. There are just a lot of people that don’t.
Yours is an interesting strategy. Certainly worth trying.
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I’ll second @Bobzchemist observation that great ideas are worthless without many other factors.
Formulators and Contract manufacturers are in the business to make formulas and products. If they wanted to be cosmetic marketers (or were even good at it) they would be in that business. It’s not easy to launch a successful product line and it takes a lot of luck. There is much less competition in the business of creating formulas.
They also see hundreds of ideas a year which every person who has the idea thinks is brilliant. I say don’t worry about someone stealing your idea. Besides, if your idea is good enough for someone to want to steal it, they’ll get around any confidentiality agreement they sign.
When searching for a formulator some things you should look for…
1. Person has the expertise in making the formula you want to launch. Not every cosmetic chemist can make lipstick, color cosmetics, shampoos or skin creams.
2. Find someone who is responsive. Most formulators that you contact will probably not even respond to your email or phone call. If they are too busy to respond, you won’t enjoy working with them.
3. Work with people who are easy to find online. It’s not a requirement that a formulator have a website but if they are not actively searching for formulation jobs (via the Internet) you probably don’t want to work with them. It means they probably have enough industry contacts with big companies that they don’t really need to work with new startups.
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@Bill_Toge - exactly.
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@Microformulation - Their letter prompted me to go look at their website. What a complete wreck. It’s just filled with fear-based marketing nonsense. And worse, they pride themselves on their mission to “educate” (read misinform) the public.
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I was just alerted that the company who inspired this post responded. Thanks @Microformulation
This can’t possibly have been written by someone who cares about science.
What scientist would write “…some experts believe that up to 60% of cosmetic ingredients are absorbed by the skin to some extent.” ?
And referencing a study by the EWG?
There is NO PROOF that their products are safer. Their entire brand story is based on something that just isn’t proven. Fearmongering at its worst.
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@Cagouchick - Welcome to the forum!
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I was told that this is another industry standard for this market.
https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Handbook_of_Detergents.html?id=SCWLcVDjxxsC&redir_esc=y
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Thanks @johnb
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It looks reasonable, although you haven’t listed your amount of Betaine.
Did you make a batch of this? How did it turn out?
The triclosan is not necessary. -
I’m afraid your question is too vague to easily answer. If you have a specific question about massage oils feel free to post.
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In the US you would be responsible for the safety of your products. If there was a problem you couldn’t simply point to your supplier and say it is their fault. So, it comes down to how much you trust your supplier’s testing procedures.
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If you haven’t gotten it already you might find this free report helpful. http://startacosmeticline.com
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Hello to all the new people! I hope you find the forum helpful.
To the Chicago people (I’m in Chicago) be sure to stop by one of the upcoming Society of Cosmetic Chemists meetings. You can see more information here (http://midwestscc.org)
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@lindsseylew - The basic math isn’t too tough and you’ll become a much better formulator if you can do percentages. I’d suggest you go through the Khan Academy videos on figuring out percents.
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@jivanijignesh - I’d suggest you start a new discussion if you want to ask about making a shampoo
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@johnb - Some people just have to try things to prove it to themselves that it won’t work. Please don’t be discouraged.
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There are some upsides to using a supplier’s base. These include convenience, less testing required, and less chemical inventory.
But there are some significant downsides. For example, they might decide to stop making the blend because the volume is too low. Then you don’t have a product any more. Some might not tell you exactly what is in the blend. You also have very limited flexibility in the event that they raise prices or discontinue the product.
At the very least, if you’re going to use a blend get information about exactly what the composition of the blend is and see if you can duplicate it using the individual raw materials. That way if they do become unreliable you’ll have other options.
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@johnb - yes, some threads just keep coming back
@mariamiller - It’s unlikely that you’ll notice any difference in the performance of your product whether you use marshmallow extract or not. For this reason I doubt it matters at all when you put it in the formula.
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You can use Citric Acid, HCl or Phosphoric acid to reduce the pH.
You can use Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride or Polyquaternium-7 for a quat that will stay clear.
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Interest in it does seem to be trending upwards.
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Not to worry. That may help boost the consumer awareness of the ingredient.
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@Chemist77 - I don’t think suing them is the right approach. I just wish chemists had more respect for the truth and their position in the world. I fully expect marketing folks to pass off nonsense information. I just expect more from chemists.
@Microformulation - Yes, I believe you are right. At the end of the day consumers want products that work. If the faux natural stuff doesn’t work as well as the standard stuff, consumers won’t keep buying it.
@Belassi - You’ll have to let us know if there was a response.
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Arrehenius Principle - Sort of. Stability testing assumes that higher temperatures will quicken the rate of any degrading reactions. This is why 45C can approximate 1 Year at RT. However, cosmetic systems are too complicated for it to be of much predictive use.
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