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I’ve got a bottle of Suave lotion that I use sometimes after washing dishes. But mostly, I rarely remember to use it.
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What @Bobzchemist said. That would be my first suggestion.
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Gotcha
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Exactly. Even Titanium Dioxide is found in nature but (at least in the US) the only allowed TiO2 in cosmetics is the synthetic kind
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@Belassi - I bet you use hydrocarbons. Any compound that contains hydrogen and carbon is a hydrocarbon.
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I haven’t used Pole-Cosmetique and cannot help with the project as I’m not taking on formulation projects.
But perhaps this might help in your quest to develop your product. As @Bill_Toge says, legal colorants are limited and pretty much all of them synthetic.
Companies that sell products like you’ve described are just using marketing tricks to convince people they’ve made something special. These products aren’t special, less cruel or safer.
Let’s examine the ingredient list of one of the products you mention.
Bite Beauty Amuse Bouche lipsticks
Ricinus Communis (Castor) Seed Oil**, Glyceryl Rosinate*, Cera Alba (Beeswax)**, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil**, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea) Butter**, Triisostearyl Citrate*, Argania Spinosa (Argan) Kernel Oil**, Euphorbia Cerifera (Candelilla) Wax*, Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil*, Sesamum Indicum (Sesame) Seed Oil**, Copernicia Cerifera (Carnauba) Wax**, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Cera (Wax)*, Polymethyl Methacrylate, Hydrogenated Castor Oil*, Flavor (Aroma), Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Wax*, Acacia Decurrens Flower Wax*, Polyglyceryin-3*, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil**, Vitis Vinifera (Grape) Seed Extract**, Silk Powder*, Pearl Powder*, Glyceryl Oleate*, Olea Europaea (Olive) Oil Unsaponifiables*, Trans-Resveratrol*, Vitis Vinifera (Grape) Seed Oil**, Almond (Prunus Dulcis) Oil**, Olea Europaea (Olive) Fruit Oil**, Cocos Nucifera (Coconut) Oil**, Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil**, Prunus Armeniaca (Apricot) Kernel Oil**, Punica Granatum (Pomegranate) Seed Oil**, Siraitia Grosvenorii (Monk Fruit) Extract*. +/- May Contain: Titanium Dioxide (Ci 77891)*, Iron Oxides (Ci 77491, Ci 77492, Ci 77499)*, Carmine (Ci 75470)*, Blue 1 Lake (Ci 42090), Yellow 5 Lake (Ci 19140), Yellow 6 Lake (Ci 15985), Red 40 Lake (Ci 16035), Red 6 Lake (Ci 15850), Red 7 Lake (Ci 15850), Red 27 Lake (Ci 45410), Red 28 Lake (Ci 45410), Red 30 Lake (Ci 73360), Red 33 Lake (Ci 17200), Manganese Violet (Ci 77742)*.* Natural** OrganicThe ingredients can be segmented into three categories, the stick ingredients, the colors, and marketing ingredients.
Stick ingredients: These are the same type of ingredients everyone uses.
Ricinus Communis (Castor) Seed Oil, Glyceryl Rosinate, Cera Alba (Beeswax), Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea) Butter, Triisostearyl Citrate, Euphorbia Cerifera (Candelilla) Wax, Copernicia Cerifera (Carnauba) Wax, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Cera (Wax), Polymethyl Methacrylate, Castor Oil, Glyceryl Oleate
Colors: All cosmetic companies use these
Titanium Dioxide (Ci 77891)*, Iron Oxides (Ci 77491, Ci 77492, Ci 77499)*, Carmine (Ci 75470)*, Blue 1 Lake (Ci 42090), Yellow 5 Lake (Ci 19140), Yellow 6 Lake (Ci 15985), Red 40 Lake (Ci 16035), Red 6 Lake (Ci 15850), Red 7 Lake (Ci 15850), Red 27 Lake (Ci 45410), Red 28 Lake (Ci 45410), Red 30 Lake (Ci 73360), Red 33 Lake (Ci 17200), Manganese Violet (Ci 77742)*
Marketing ingredients: These are BS ingredients that have almost no measureable impact on the performance of the product.
Siraitia Grosvenorii (Monk Fruit) Extract*, Vitis Vinifera (Grape) Seed Extract**, Trans-Resveratrol*, Silk Powder*, Pearl Powder*, Flavor (Aroma), Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Wax*, Acacia Decurrens Flower Wax*, Polyglyceryin-3*, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil** , Olea Europaea (Olive) Oil Unsaponifiables*, , Vitis Vinifera (Grape) Seed Oil**, Almond (Prunus Dulcis) Oil**, Olea Europaea (Olive) Fruit Oil**, Cocos Nucifera (Coconut) Oil**, Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil**, Prunus Armeniaca (Apricot) Kernel Oil**, Punica Granatum (Pomegranate) Seed Oil**, Argania Spinosa (Argan) Kernel Oil**, Sesamum Indicum (Sesame) Seed Oil**, Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil*
There is nothing special about their products. They are not more natural, they are not less cruel, and they are not safer.
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The California Society of Cosmetic Chemists is a place you should contact. I’ll actually be doing a Beginning Cosmetic Chemistry course out there in October. And our online course is always a good option. https://chemistscorner.com/members
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Sometimes I think we overestimate the mind of the consumer and the power of the Internet.
If you just use the Internet as a judge of what consumers care about, it’s reasonable to conclude that they know and care about preservatives. But if you look at what consumers actually buy, the vast majority of products have preservatives (parabens & formaldehyde donors). The Natural cosmetic market represents about 15% of the market. That means 85% of the market is just standard cosmetics filled with standard preservatives.
Consumers might claim they care about preservatives when posting on the Internet but they don’t back that up with what they purchase.
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@johnb - yes, freezer would work too
@komirra - that depends on what else is in the flaxseed gel and what microbes the infusion is exposed to. It would certainly be worth trying germall plus and it may or may not work. Preservation depends on a lot of factors.
Incidentally, formaldehyde is also found in nature. In fact, it’s found inside your own body & is a crucial chemical in biochemistry
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I respectfully disagree with johnb on this one. The preservative you suggested would do a great job. There are no proven safety issues using Germall Plus at the proper levels used in cosmetics.
These ingredients have been reviewed by the CIR and have been demonstrated to be safe.
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On the plus side, brand success doesn’t have much to do with the performance of the product. If your formula is reasonable, functional and stable, that will be good enough. If your formula is the most brilliant thing ever made, you’d still need great marketing to make it a success.
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It sounds like the private labeler just wants you to pay to find out what the formula is. As Bob said, that doesn’t mean you’ll have legal recourse to prevent anyone else from using the formula if they learn it.
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When you’re creating an emulsion, the emulsifier is one of the last things that you choose. You really need to pick the composition of your oil phase then find an emulsifier that matches the HLB requirements for that oil phase.
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What ones did you try?
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You won’t notice a difference whether you include the chamomile, sea kelp or panthenol so you could skip those or put them at lower levels.
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I agree with @johnb - Second one is the best option for what you want to make.
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You should also include GCI in that mix. http://www.gcimagazine.com/magazine/260118771.html
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Allured decided to focus on their magazine and their events and let the book business go. The person who was in charge of books left too so they were just looking to sell through their inventory.
They may come back in the form of digital books but I can’t say for sure.
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I’d suggest you get our free report. http://startacosmeticline.com
Ultimately, you’ll want to hire a contract manufacturer to make your formulas.
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Sarcasm is always difficult to communicate in text
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Welcome aboard to all our new members!
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@jeremien - Phenoxyethanol is not banned in France. Where did you hear that?
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Did you ask the folks over at Triton?
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Well, you could do a knock-out experiment, or even a with- and without- batch to see if it really is the licorice powder.
You could also do a salt curve analysis to figure out where you are on the salt curve. You may be over or maybe not.
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If you’re making a lipstick you’ll need to have some wax in there like Carnauba wax. But it seems like you are making a liquid product not a lipstick. Is there a similar product on the market for comparison?