[Marynicole]

Perry said:

This should work.
https://chemistscorner.com/cosmetic-formula-spreadsheet-template/

Thanks so much i appreciate i also needed like a spreadsheet for costing but fixed aasets and other expenses!!

[Marynicole]

Perry said:7

You can read about the absorption of Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein here.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/08bjawrpi5d9vsl/hair-protein-absorption.pdf?dl=0

The bottom line is this: Hydrolyzed protein can penetrate the hair and it doesn’t matter much which one because they all will to some extent. BUT you’re not going to see any noticeable impact on the important characteristics of the hair like combing, manageability, split ends, etc. The effect of cationic surfactants and silicones will overwhelm any impact you might see from proteins.

Waow!!! Thank u so much

[Marynicole]

ngarayeva001 said:

Amino acids are building blocks of proteins, so they are much smaller. These all are claim ingredients. You can use it as a selling point but be careful promises. You can say that you are using a complex of amino acids that “penetrate” to hair but don’t say they do anything that you can’t prove. 

Thank you so much…very helpful

[Marynicole]

But silk amino has been proven to penetrate not so? ngarayeva001 said:

Well, there is 500 dalton rule for skincare. The 500 Dalton Rule states that molecules greater than 500 Daltons cannot penetrate stratum corneum (which is a simplification). You need to find out this value for hair. Then write an email to the supplier and ask to confirm the size of those proteins in daltons. But keep in mind, it might be a useless exercise since proteins are large molecules.

[Marynicole]

ngarayeva001 said:

Why do you want protein to penetrate the hair strand? The hair above the surface of the skin is dead.

So what are they meant to do? I know it’s a claims ingridients but if you have any idea to my question please answer am in dear need of it

[Marynicole]

Gunther said:

You should be getting enough conditioning/detangling out of 3% BTMS-50 + 1% dimethicone, especially since it is a leave on product.
For how long do you leave it on?

You can try adding polyquaternium 10 or 7, or cationic guar
but IDK if they’ll outperform BTMS+silicone.

You may wish to switch to a milder shampoo, shampoo less often
or switch to a cleansing conditioner, or washing your hair with conditioner (co-wash).
Conditioners can only do so much if you have dry hair, and frequently shampoo.

AFAIK there’s no magic bullet but we’ll see what the more experienced guys have to say.

Ok thank you so much….i will probably add one of the polyquat …and see what ot will do bcs i am both keen on getting detangling n softening properties especially softening.

[Marynicole]

Chemist77 said:

Check if any of the Polyquaterniums could be of use here. 

Which of the polyquat would u recommend thats good in conditioners please? I also need sumfin that can soften the hair…does cationic guar help out?

[Marynicole]

Gunther said:

BTMS50 + silicone ranks among the top detanglers conditioners

How much are you using @Marynicole

I use btms 50 3%, dimethicone 1% , i dont have cyclomethicone and polyquat readily available in my country…but i can look for it….can this ingridient soften the hair too?

[Marynicole]

Perry said:

For Cyclomethicone you could go up to 2%.  For Dimethicone it would be more like 0.5%

Cocotrimonium Chloride at 0.25% could work too.

Ok noted …is cocotrimonium different from centrimonium chloride? 

[Marynicole]

@Perry..thanks forbthe reply…do u mind stating in what % especially in leave in products. Then anything cationic that can also work?