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  • Ingridient that can enhance detangling and softening in a conditioner formulated for kinky hair!!

    Posted by Marynicole on October 4, 2018 at 6:29 pm
    I am in need of Ingridients that i can add to my conditioners especially leave in conditioner to enhance its softening and detangling properties…i am formulating for aftrican kinky and coily hair and its main problem is detangling and softening. I have used btms 50, centrimonium chloride but it dosnt do much even at its recommended %. Is there any other cationic surfactant or ingredient that can enhance detangling and most especially softening kinky hair..
    Lisani replied 5 years, 5 months ago 8 Members · 15 Replies
  • 15 Replies
  • OldPerry

    Member
    October 4, 2018 at 8:47 pm

    Silicones.  Dimethicone or Cyclomethicone.

  • Marynicole

    Member
    October 5, 2018 at 12:46 am

    @Perry..thanks forbthe reply…do u mind stating in what % especially in leave in products. Then anything cationic that can also work?

  • OldPerry

    Member
    October 5, 2018 at 12:45 pm

    For Cyclomethicone you could go up to 2%.  For Dimethicone it would be more like 0.5%

    Cocotrimonium Chloride at 0.25% could work too.

  • Gunther

    Member
    October 5, 2018 at 4:11 pm

    BTMS50 + silicone ranks among the top detanglers conditioners

    How much are you using @Marynicole

  • Chemist77

    Member
    October 5, 2018 at 5:51 pm

    Check if any of the Polyquaterniums could be of use here. 

  • Marynicole

    Member
    October 5, 2018 at 8:08 pm

    Perry said:

    For Cyclomethicone you could go up to 2%.  For Dimethicone it would be more like 0.5%

    Cocotrimonium Chloride at 0.25% could work too.

    Ok noted …is cocotrimonium different from centrimonium chloride? 

  • Marynicole

    Member
    October 5, 2018 at 8:28 pm

    Gunther said:

    BTMS50 + silicone ranks among the top detanglers conditioners

    How much are you using @Marynicole

    I use btms 50 3%, dimethicone 1% , i dont have cyclomethicone and polyquat readily available in my country…but i can look for it….can this ingridient soften the hair too?

  • Marynicole

    Member
    October 5, 2018 at 8:32 pm

    Chemist77 said:

    Check if any of the Polyquaterniums could be of use here. 

    Which of the polyquat would u recommend thats good in conditioners please? I also need sumfin that can soften the hair…does cationic guar help out?

  • Gunther

    Member
    October 6, 2018 at 5:44 pm

    You should be getting enough conditioning/detangling out of 3% BTMS-50 + 1% dimethicone, especially since it is a leave on product.
    For how long do you leave it on?

    You can try adding polyquaternium 10 or 7, or cationic guar
    but IDK if they’ll outperform BTMS+silicone.

    You may wish to switch to a milder shampoo, shampoo less often
    or switch to a cleansing conditioner, or washing your hair with conditioner (co-wash).
    Conditioners can only do so much if you have dry hair, and frequently shampoo.

    AFAIK there’s no magic bullet but we’ll see what the more experienced guys have to say.

  • Marynicole

    Member
    October 7, 2018 at 1:08 am

    Gunther said:

    You should be getting enough conditioning/detangling out of 3% BTMS-50 + 1% dimethicone, especially since it is a leave on product.
    For how long do you leave it on?

    You can try adding polyquaternium 10 or 7, or cationic guar
    but IDK if they’ll outperform BTMS+silicone.

    You may wish to switch to a milder shampoo, shampoo less often
    or switch to a cleansing conditioner, or washing your hair with conditioner (co-wash).
    Conditioners can only do so much if you have dry hair, and frequently shampoo.

    AFAIK there’s no magic bullet but we’ll see what the more experienced guys have to say.

    Ok thank you so much….i will probably add one of the polyquat …and see what ot will do bcs i am both keen on getting detangling n softening properties especially softening.

  • Gunther

    Member
    October 7, 2018 at 4:00 pm

    Since it’s a leave on product, you can emulsify some coconut oil with BTMS
    it may help replenish some oils that are stripped away by shampoo.

    It that still doesn’t work, switching to a milder shampoo, or shampooing less often seems unavoidable.

  • Tauriel

    Member
    January 12, 2019 at 12:00 am

    Hello there, I’m new here and this is rather a late comment coming in. I couldn’t help but mention that I’ve come across a brassicamidopropyl dimethylamine cationic agent supposedly marketed as better than cetrimonium chloride. I don’t know how well it actually works as I am just about to try it out. It may work for you?

  • Fekher

    Member
    January 12, 2019 at 7:47 am

    @Marynicole  i guess it  is from the best adequat polyquaternium for your product  called polyquaternium 87 ( luviquat sensation).


  • MarkBroussard

    Member
    January 13, 2019 at 12:46 am

    You could also try adding some Betaine to enhance moisturization of the hair and Sensoveil SIL (Orbignya Speciosa Kernel Oil (and) Hydrogenated Soybean Oil (and) Cocos Nucifera (Coconut) Oil (and) Linum Usitatissimum (Linseed) Seed Oil) from Chemyunion for detangling.

  • Lisani

    Member
    January 13, 2019 at 2:49 pm

    Hi, I would recommend to include Incroquat TMS-50 by Croda, a cationic emulsifier and active ingredient for softening requirements, it’s working very very good (personal experience).

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