MarkBroussard
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Note to self: Don’t ever post anything on the Internet when you’re angry & frustrated, or drunk, or both. You actually should create a new handle and start fresh all over again with a new identity and a proper attitude.
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To be perfectly honest … Your post screams “I don’t know what I’m doing and I’m going to be a completely miserable, time wasting client to work with and I will be so difficult that you are guaranteed to loose money by taking on my project” … ( I see you removed the all caps and bold text in various colors … that was the reddest of the red flags that would make anyone wary of working with you )
I am particularly amused with the idea that photos of “lab chemist mixing liquid in a beaker” … “chemist traveling to a meeting with a client” … “lab chemist doing lab chemist stuff in the lab” posted on Facebook is going to give you any valuable, validating information.
It is not surprising that you are having a difficult time finding someone “legitimate” to consider your project.
Excellent cosmetic chemists can develop products with the simplest of equipment, so a big lab is just not necessary in most instances. It’s the experience and track record of the chemist that you should be focusing your attention on, not the website, photos, & social media.
Oh … and, trying to appear to be a reasonable potential client would be a vast improvement towards achieving your objective.
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All they need to do is Google the shipping address and that tells them whether it’s a business or not. Not hard to police.
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@Microformulation … that’s interesting because ULProspector usually does a good job checking credentials and if you do not have a business address and a company website, you cannot register.
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I can’t tell you how many inquiries I get for this only to have the prospect tell me their mother will be on the follow-up phone call to discuss the cost …
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@MIcroformulation brings up a good point. The issue with “unique” ingredients that you may never use again except for that one client and MOQ’s is to either let the client purchase the unique ingredient (or pay for the MOQ), to substitute the unique ingredient with a similar ingredient that you commonly use or to substitute with an ingredient that you can purchase smaller quantities from repackers such as MakingCosmetics, The Herbarie, Lotioncrafter, etc.
Give the client the options and let them decide. You cannot put yourself in a position of paying for and stocking excess of a unique ingredient that you are likely to never use again. Usually, the clients elect to substitute with a similar ingredient that can be purchased from a repacker.Depending on the ingredient and the quantity used in the run, sometimes all you really need is a couple of extra samples and most suppliers/distributors will help you out with that if they understand it is for a small production run that may lead to MOQ sales in the future. -
In addition to that, I wish they’d crack down on companies that claim their products are “Vegan” and “Cruelty Free” when they are loaded with synthetics. Technically, yes, they are “Vegan”, but that is a dubious claim.
It’s the marketing equivalent of claiming that your Orange Juice is “Gasoline Free” -
You might try Trisiloxane or a Cyclopentasiloxane & Trisiloxane blend. Trisiloxane is more volatile than Isododecane, so you may want to “tame” it a bit with the Cyclopentasiloxane so it isn’t too drying on the lips.
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If Rutgers has a technical cosmetic science program and an MBA with a specialization in Personal Care, then you could pursue a joint degree getting credit for some of your MBA electives courses for your technical courses in the Cosmetic Science Program. That would be your absolute best approach. Although, it is generally better if you wait to get an MBA until you have some real world industry experience … bring that to the table in an MBA Program is invaluable. If you try going to an MBA without any business/industry experience … well, there’s a say “You don’t know what you don’t know”
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Well, the best advice would be for you to strongly consider one of the specific MS Cosmetic Science programs at either Farleigh Dickenson, U. Cincinnati or U Toledo.
You’re simply not going to get any relevant cosmetics training getting an MS in Biology unless your supervising research professor is working on a project relevant to cosmetics and there are probably very few of those, if any, at the schools you’re considering. So you’ll have an MS in Biology, but won’t have any training that is geared towards the cosmetics field. Best you check with the graduate program to see if NYU or the other school have any faculty working on cosmetics-related projects and check into the three programs mentioned above. Plus, these programs were probably designed to support the needs of local industry (think P&G) which is why 2 of the 3 programs are in Ohio. Finally, cosmetics companies are going to be recruiting at these schools because of the specificity of the training.If you want to be a product development chemist you’ll start on the bench working on projects. Overseeing laboratory work is a management position … that may come in time, but first you need to gain some bench experience. -
What is your undergraduate degree … is it Chemistry?
Farleigh Dickenson, University of Cincinnati and University of Toledo have MS Programs specifically in Cosmetic Science. Those would appear to be a better choice for you than a MS Biology, for sure. If you want to go into Marketing then the MBA at Rutgers may be a better choice. -
Some ingredients are just not worth the time and effort to work with … this is a sticky mess. I would spend some time looking for an easier ingredient to formulate with. If I recall properly, you need to heat the Versagel to 85C, by itself, then add it to your other base ingredients, also heated to 85C and then mix.
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Keep trying. This is not a terribly difficult formulation to dupe as there are only 5 classes of ingredients:
Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Coco Betaine (Surfactants)PEG 8, Hexylene Glycol, , Zinc PCA, (Solvents & Skin Active - Sebum Reduction)Sodium Chloride, PEG 120 Methyl Glucose Dioleate (Thickeners)Sodium Hydroxide, Citric Acid, (pH Adjusters)Sodium Benzoate, Phenoxyethanol, Capryl Glycol, Parfum (Preservatives) -
Actually, anyone can be allergic to anything. The immune system does not distinguish between “natural” chemicals and synthetic chemicals. If upon exposure to any chemical, the body recognizes it as an antigen, the body produces antibodies against that antigen. Upon subsequent exposure to the antigen, it stimulates the immune system to produce antibodies in response to the antigen exposure leading to symptoms characteristic of an allergic reaction. Your immune system “remembers” the chemicals that you are allergic to and responds accordingly. Makes no difference what the source of the chemical is.
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The active conditioning agent is Brassicamidopropyl Dimethylamine. The Aspartic Acid and Hydrolysed Soy Protein may also contribute to its effectiveness.
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These have become very popular in the past couple of years. They are easy to apply, have good wear resistance and women like the matte appearance. They’re actually the only color cosmetic I enjoy formulating.
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I am having some difficulty understand this situation. If your product is in powder form …. how can it possibly have a pH?
It appears that your powder is mixed by the consumer in water to create the dye immediately before use? If that is the case, why does it need to be buffered if it will be consumed in short order after mixing.Sodium Lactate is a liquid … not feasible to use in a powder product unless you want the product to be some sort of paste. -
You’d be better off using Organic Emulsifying Wax (Beeswax, Lecithin (Soy), Copernicia Cerifera (Carnauba) Wax) (From Nature With Love), but you’re going to have to couple it with another emulsifier as it is a better thickener than emulsifier. Pair it with RitaMulse (Glyceryl Stearate (and) Cetearyl Alcohol (and) Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate) which is ECOCert.
Also, there are a number of natural Petrolatum alternatives on the market such as Vegeline 65 from Seppic that helps with TEWL reduction. -
Even easier is to use blends … Ceterayl Alcohol & Behentrimonium Methosulfate or Cetyl Alcohol & Behentrimonium Methosulfate … from Croda or Koster Keunen
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Personally, I never, ever buy ingredients from China. Unless you have a COA, I would not trust anything coming from China. And, they’re not above faking the COA.
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Actually, glycerin is a polyol … it has 3 hydroxyl groups. instead of 2 (glycol). No, glycerin will not facilitate the growth of bacteria in a finished product.
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Yes, and the cows all have names and roam happily in lush, verdant fields full of hopping bunnies, butterflies floating in the breeze and they only drink from glacier fed streams. I heard that Dove was going to stamp the name of the cow that provided the tallow for each bar of artisan soap along with the artiste’s hoof print on an authenticity tag.
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That’s because the cattle that provide the beef fats are grass fed, free-range cattle.
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Yes, you are being overcharged a ridiculous amount. The color work should be significantly less than the formulation work.
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Add 1% Sodium Citrate. Methyl Gluceth-20 Benzoate may improve the sensorial over PG or Hexanediol.