MarkBroussard
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You’re not going to be able to lower the pH that low with Potassium Cocoate in the formula … Water + Coconut Oil + Potassium Hydroxide has a pH of 10.5 or so.
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Not that I am aware of … Typically 3 parts PolySugaMulse to 1 part EO does the trick, but you may need to increase that to 5:1 depending on the polarity of the EO.
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The best solubilizer, hands down in my opinion, is PolySugaMulse D9 … all natural and it’s performance is superb. Excellent product. You can buy small quantities from Formulator Sample Shop.
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You cream separating is either from (1) too high of an oil/lipid content (should be in the 12% to 15% range, maximum. And, preferably more towards 12%; (2) The HLB of your emulsifiers is off from the HLB of your oils; (3) Insufficient homogenization.
Panthenol at 0.5% is not going to affect the stability of your emulsion.
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If you’re looking to use a natural thickener for surfactant systems your best bet is going to be Structure XL (Hydroxypropyl Starch Phosphate) AkzoNobel.
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You can buy small quantities of Glyceryl Caprylate (and) Glyceryl Undecylenate from http://www.ingredientstodiefor.com … they call it “VegeCide”
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All of the above …
I would suggest you start by laying out the LOI of the product you’re trying to copy. See if you can figure out where the 1% line is … it will generally be one of the preservative components. Then take a look at the ingredient manufacturer’s recommended use % range of each ingredient.
Put together a model formulation and then develop the LOI for your formula. Compare it to the order of ingredients in the LOI of the product you are trying to copy. See if the ingredients line up in the same order (this will work for everything above the 1% line … below the 1% line it is not possible to really compare the ingredient order, but it will get you close enough.
If your LOI does not match the LOI of the product you are trying to copy, revise your formula until the LOI’s match. Then proceed to make your first prototype.
One issue you need to be wary of is multicomponent ingredients, where the individual components may not appear grouped together, but interspersed within the LOI in accordance with the individual percentage in the entire formula. If you run into a multicomponent ingredient, you can request a Compositional Analysis from the ingredient manufacturer.
Then test as recommended in the comments above.
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@Perry:
Agreed … One man’s Fool is another man’s Victim Of Their Own Emotions … LOL! All in good fun.
Yes, La Mer does not do anything unscrupulous in their marketing … and there is plenty of info out there for any consumer curious enough to do a little research before dropping $170 for an ounce of cream.
I would gladly sell once of my creams for $170 an ounce if I could get consumers to pay that much. More Is Better … it’s the American way!
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@DAS:
I don’t think there are any victims here per se … Kudos to companies that succeed in convincing someone to pay $170 per ounce for a product that costs $5.00, or less, per ounce to manufacture surrounded by pretty packaging that costs probably 2X to 3X the cost of the product itself.
If anyone is a victim here, it’s consumers who victimize themselves by willingly paying outrageous prices not knowing if the product delivers value commensurate with its price.
There is nothing unscrupulous about asking an exorbitant price and selling to buyers who willingly, of their own volition, pay that exorbitant asking price.
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Yes, use Lubrizol Carbopol Ultrez-30 … it gels at low pH 4.0 to 5.5
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Creme De La Mer 1.0 oz $170.00 USD
Algae (Seaweed) Extract, Mineral OilParaffinum LiquidumHuile Minerale, Petrolatum, Glycerin, Isohexadecane, Microcrystalline WaxCera MicrocristallinaCire Microcristalline, Lanolin Alcohol, Citrus Aurantifolia (Lime) Extract, Sesamum Indicum (Sesame) Seed Oil, Eucalyptus Globulus (Eucalyptus) Leaf Oil, Sesamum Indicum (Sesame) Seed Powder, Medicago Sativa (Alfalfa) Seed Powder, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seedcake, Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Seed Meal, Sodium Gluconate, Copper Gluconate, Calcium Gluconate, Magnesium Gluconate, Zinc Gluconate, Magnesium Sulfate, Paraffin, Tocopheryl Succinate, Niacin, WaterAquaEau, Beta-Carotene, Decyl Oleate, Aluminum Distearate, Octyldodecanol, Citric Acid, Cyanocobalamin, Magnesium Stearate, Panthenol, Limonene, Geraniol, Linalool, Hydroxycitronellal, Citronellol, Benzyl Salicylate, Citral, Sodium Benzoate, Alcohol Denat., Fragrance.
Then what would you call someone who pays $170/ounce for this? … Astute? -
Marketing Rule #2: The main objective of marketing is to compel fools to part with their money by creating the illusions of “need” and “prestige”
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Marketing Rule #1: Feed the dogs the food they like to eat.
The funny thing about cosmetic products it that often there is a consumer perception that more expensive is better … it makes people feel like they are treating themselves to something special. You got to hand it to La Mer, Le Prairie and companies of similar ilk … Exorbitantly priced products, yet relatively inexpensive to manufacture, positioned as “It” products … not an easy task to succeed at.
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Scroll through the listings on the link below. I’m certain there are NY/NJ based Chemists on the list that you can contract regarding your project:
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There are a variety of ingredients that effectively function as preservatives, but allow for “Preservative-Free” to be claimed.
Personally, I don’t quite understand the appeal of a “Preservative-Free” claim, but it must resonate with some particular consumer subset.
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There are a couple of Banana Extracts that you can use.
If you use real Bananas, I suggest you peel them first.
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I suspect your problem is actually the Geogard Ultra and/or Xaromix as opposed to the Ferulic Acid. Try switching to a liquid preservative …
Add 6% Sodium Lactate to your water phase, heat it to 80C, and then add the Glycerin/Ferulic Acid slurry. Add the Ascorbic Acid last.
That will probably solve your problem.
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My brother went through an episode of cancer. Virtually all of his healthcare practitioners recommended cannabis in some form or another. He does live in a State where Medicinal is legal.
As for recreational, I’d much rather people smoke weed that than get stupid drunk on alcohol. If you study the history of cannabis in the US, you’ll find that the Federal Government went to great lengths to propagandize “Reefer Madness” … Why? It was used by migrant workers from Mexico and Central America who had been smoking weed for hundreds of years … sound familiar to our current environment? It was all politics …
When we were in war times, the Federal Government actually exempted military service for Hemp farmers … the Government needed the fiber for uniforms, parachutes, etc.
In the end, the science will prove itself out.
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The research is promising … as usual, the regulations lag far behind the scientific community and society. Yes, if you have additional information, it would interesting to see what the THC content was in the CBD in the study I referenced.
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The suppliers I referred you to all sell CBD containing levels of THC under the threshold limit. They’ll be happy to provide to you the specifications on their CBD Oil and they all ship throughout the US.
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Here are a couple of suppliers that I have used on CBD product development projects.
http://www.foliumbiosciences.com/cbd-oil-bulk-wholesale/
As most industrial hemp oil production in North American is from Canada, I would suspect that you will see several Canadian-based CBD Oil suppliers in short order once it becomes legal.
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You’ll want to use standardized Cannabidiol with a THC content that is below the legal threshold. It currently can be sold in all 50 states in the US and there are several reputable suppliers. Target your CBD content at 100 to 200 mg.
There is scientific evidence that it is indeed effective for pain management, particularly when combined with other pain management topical actives.
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You’ll have to play around with it … it will make your stick soft and mushy at too high a level, so the top end is really dependent on the other ingredients in your stick.
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The Magnesium Hydroxide is used to raise the pH of the stick … it is not bactericidal per se, but creates an environment in which it suppresses bacterial growth. Used primarily to replace Sodium Bicarbonate for sensitive skin deo stick formulas.
You can use up to 20% Magnesium Hydroxide depending on the structural integrity of your stick formulation.
But, you will need to also include ingredients that are effective against Staph and Cornybacteria, both of which contribute to underarm odor.