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Perry said:

Correct, you have no styling polymer in the product. You won’t get much long lasting hold without it.  PVP or PVP/VA should do the trick. And the Jojoba pearls aren’t really doing much.

ngarayeva001 said:

I am not a hair styling products expert, but you don’t have anything for a hold. You need PVP.

Hi guys, Thanks for your input. I will get the PVP/VA and get it tested when it’s here. But just checking, will this PVP/VA affect my clay product texture? 

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Gene said:

https://www.ulprospector.com/en/na/PersonalCare/search?k=pomade&st=1

Also Koster Keunan might have some useful hair styling formulas 

Hi,

thanks! I will look them up. Guess i need to c8 an account with th
first though.. 

i just thought that i may not have mixed them well enough and i may try to lower my clay content both bentonite and kaolin and i will update you again

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Pharma said:

Which quality of kaolin and bentonite did you use? Some grades are fairly coarse/grainy.

Hi Pharma,

i got mine from australia new direction so i guess it should be fine? 

Will update you guys once i perfect the formula:)

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Gene said:

Good luck! 

Hi Gene,

just did another batch. It doesn’t clump as much this time round however, the end product is still looks rough and Cakey. Anyone have any idea? Is it that I add in too much kaolin and Bentonite clay? Or I did not stir well enough as when I add start to add in the clay bit by bit when I stir, small lumps starts to form. 

hope someone can provide some tips on maybe I should increase on my wax ingredients or water phase ingredient.

thanks in advance!

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Gene said:

Gel your water phase with either carbomer or xanthan may improve the texture. You didn’t ever mention what your water phase temp was. This could be part of your problem. Also I don’t know how waxy your formula is, but we pour our final product shortly after emulsification really warm, like 60C.

Hi Gene,

I believe i make some mistake during my first attempt. I should have heat up my water phase to like 70C before slowly mixing it with my wax phase. 

I heat up my wax phase to about 70C using double boil method. 

I am going to test out the method you mentioned above later and update you here with the results. 

I will pour the kaolin and bentonite clay at the last step after i mix my wax and water phase together. Wish me luck!

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Gene said:

Also study into properly preserving your product. Especially clays.

Thanks for the feedback! I will try it out tomorrow and update here regarding the result. 

Just a quick one, when you mention gelling your water phase, you mean when i combining the water phase and the wax phase ingredients together right? 

Thanks!

[Louiswch]

Hi there,

sorry but here are the % in terms of gram that i use

13g PEG-40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil
6g Jojoba esters
22g Neroli infused Aqua
5g Kaolin
3g Bentonite
3g Polysorbate-80
2g Catearyl Alchohol (and) Cetearyl Glucoside
14g Olive butter
8g Lanolin
2g Butylene Glycol
1g Silica
2g Glycerin
2-3 drop Vit. E oil

Thanks!

[Louiswch]

Gunther said:

Natural substances like some essential oils degrade themselves rather quickly.

Oils with unsaturated carbon bonds seem to degrade faster.
You may need to add an antioxidant (although oxidation ain’t their only degradation reaction).

Some fragrance oils lose scent after just a few months so some need recall old stock from shelves, add more oils and put back in the market (not as easy as it sounds).

Hi Gunther,

Thanks for reply. In this case, is there anyway for us to prolong to shelf life of the products to at least a year or 2. We are trying to use scent that is organic and natural into our formula.

Hope you are able to help with this.

Thanks in advance sir!

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Perry said:

If you’re asking whether those ingredients work as preservatives…no they don’t.

If you’re asking whether they’ll affect how the product changes over time…yes. These ingredients will add some odor which will change over time.

No, they won’t change the texture over time, but they could affect the texture initially. 

It really depends on what the rest of your formula is.

Hi Perry,

Thanks for taking your time to reply to me.

Im actually asking if they will affect how the product changes over time. 

In this case, may i ask, what kind of scent or fragrances can we add to to give our product the scent. Preferably organic, thus, i’m asking if we are able to use essential oil blend instead of synthetic fragrances. We are trying to formulate a product that is organic. 

Hope you are able to shed some light regarding the above queries.

Thanks in advance!

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Sponge said:

I believe BDP-2 was designed to mimic lanolin so as far as substitutes, you probably want to compare what you can substitute lanolin for…

Before you rule lanolin out though, consider how much you’ll be using in a matte styling product. Lanolin USP won’t impart a smell and at the concentration you’ll likely be using, wont get a chance to impart color either. (They have clear (clearer than petroleum) lanolin btw but it’s cost prohibitive for most applications.)

Hi Sponge,

Thanks for your input. We will certainly try out with lanolin just that we are trying to see if there’s any other ways to work around it. But still, we appreciate your input.

Have a nice day to you!