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Thank you @ariepfadli Ill try that out. Problem is, with a high pH level, skin feels stripped after which is also not desirable for this product. Lets see.
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Thank you @Paprik, ill try that out. Problem with reducing the surfactants is that the product doesnt produce enough foam. But maybe thats a compromise we make. Ill let you know how the trial goes.
@PhilGeis okay
@ketchito I did look to see what other brands use in tear free formulas which is why I selected the Decyl Glucoside combo. Others use PEGs but im trying to see if I can make something without PEGs that could still be tear-free.
Thank you for all your comments! I appreciate it very much!
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Thank you @DAS Okay ill give the cellulose a shot and also try increasing the surfactant. Will let you know.
Do you think reducing the aqua to 1% might help the bubbles? Or will that not be enough to get rid of the aeration? -
Thank you @belassi , We dont have a vacuum mixer..
so ill stay away from the sf 1. I made a batch without any aqua sf -1 this morning, the system only took about 1.2% salt and it did thicken the system but it wasnt quite the same as with aqua sf 1. It was not “gel-ly” enough.. and since this is an existing product, I want to try to be as close to the current product as possible. -
maybe try pectin, or combination of sclerotium gum/xanthan gum/cellulose
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@bobzchemist and @milliachemist you guys are awesome! I used 2% Arlacel 165: Glyceryl Stearate and PEG-100 Stearate with 1% Promulgen
Cetearyl Alcohol and Ceteth-20..instead of cetyl alcohol and it worked!!! My formula is white
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@bobzchemist Doesnt octocrylene help solubilize/stabilize avobenzone?? I have 5% octocrylene and 2% avobenzone..
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I am using Cetyl Alcohol at 2 % and Isostearyl Alcohol as an emollient.. I didnt think i needed more emulsifier since i am trying to make the overall feel as less greasy as possible…
Oh and I also have 1% of Ganex 220 V in the oil phase..Should I add some more emulsifier you think? -
This is all in India though — which already doesn’t have enough(Read:No) regulations on cosmetics..
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@Chemwizard you’re welcome. I totally understand what you say about the final feel but I have read previously (not tried it myself yet) that adding a little alcohol to your formula decreases the snotty (for lack of a better word) feel of the xanthan in the final formula —- @milliachemist What are your thoughts? Isnt there a way to reduce the snotty after feel?
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@perry Or Xanthan Gum? Since Xanthan thickens at lower pH levels.. and works well with the salt content too!
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@milliachemist Ill give that a shot too.. I have more of a natural/whole foods compliant products background — so I am not too familiar with synthetics and end up using more naturals than would like to. Thanks for the recommendation!
@ perry didn’t think I would need a preservative with just 5% water.. oops! Thanks for the advice, I’ll make sure to add some next time. -
How about benzalkonium chloride?
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I would look at playing with the pH of your formula. Have you tried this? A lower pH of about 4.5 - 5.5 should give you more conditioning than a higher pH one.
Another thing to consider is lowering the concentration of surfactants or using milder surfactants..Hope this helps! -
Looks like this formula could be thickened with salt and the runny texture could be the xanthan gum too. I would go for a combination of Sodium Methyl Cocoyl Taurate and Cocoamphoacetate. These seem to work best at clear shampoos.
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The Glucosides are hard to acheive clarity with. Try Sodium Cocoamphoacetate instead. You may have better clarity with that.