Home Cosmetic Science Talk Formulating Hair Water based pomade NATURAL

  • oldperry

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    September 7, 2017 at 1:25 pm

    What do you consider “natural”?  

    If you follow a strict definition of natural meaning “things found in nature” it is not possible to make a water based pomade.

  • celine13009

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    September 7, 2017 at 2:18 pm

    @Perry Natural means agreed with COSMOS Organic certification. So, I have to find some ingredients accepted by COSMOS. I think to Honey with a gum (Xanthan) or cellulose or a resin ..

  • bobzchemist

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    September 7, 2017 at 3:51 pm

    I agree with Perry. It is simply not possible to do this and get a modern-day acceptable feel and/or hold.

  • microformulation

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    September 7, 2017 at 4:41 pm

    I have to agree with Perry and Bob. There is such a gap between the market expectations (based on the performance of the synthetic fixatives) versus what can pragmatically be delivered with “natural” raw materials (plant based materials minimally processed for definition sake), that you have to address the disparity. You can make a solid product, albeit lacking some performance, that you must address this in your marketing. This has become especially significant in recent years as the market is demanding a much narrower margin between “natural” and “synthetic” finished products in such areas as performance and price. If you can bridge this gap with effective marketing, you can be somewhat successful.

  • celine13009

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    September 8, 2017 at 8:15 am

    @Microformulation @Bobzchemist @Perry I will try this new challenge !!! Always more !

  • oldperry

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    September 8, 2017 at 12:26 pm

    To accomplish this, here’s an approach you might try.

    1.  Find a product on the market that performs the way you want.
    2.  List out the ingredients and figure out what makes it perform
    3.  Search for natural alternatives to the ingredients.
    4.  Make formulas until you get something that performs close to the product you’re trying to emulate.

  • celine13009

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    September 8, 2017 at 12:30 pm

    @Perry Thanks Perry ! I have chosen some ingredients : lanolin, honey, sugar, gelatin, Agar gum, alginate, pectin … All in cosmetofood ! I will try with something like that.  There is nothing on the market …

  • oldperry

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    September 8, 2017 at 2:07 pm

    While there might not be anything on the market exactly like what you are trying to make, there are definitely hair pomades on the market.

    If this is a product you are going to try to sell to consumers (or even use yourself) you have to be aware of the expectations that they will have. If you advertise something as a hair pomade people will want something that works like hair pomades they’ve used in the past.  It will help for you to find products on the market that you are trying to emulate.

  • celine13009

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    September 8, 2017 at 2:12 pm

    @Perry Yes I understand. I have already made a waterbased pomade and I am working on a company in the field of hair cosmetics

  • SheilaInBoston

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    September 18, 2017 at 2:31 am

    Any suggestions on how to achieve colors in the Blue/Turquoise family, with non-color additives?  

  • oldperry

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    September 18, 2017 at 3:33 pm

    @SheilaInBoston - It is actually illegal to add non-color additives to a cosmetic to provide color. The only legal colors are the color additives approved by the FDA. There is a similar list of colorants allowed in the EU.

    The reason cosmetics even began to be regulated was because of colorants. People were using materials to provide colors that were causing injuries like blindness.

    I do not recommend using non-approved materials as colorants.

  • heraklit

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    September 18, 2017 at 6:50 pm

    Perry is right, but you can try the deep blue chamomile essential oil (not extract).

  • David

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    September 18, 2017 at 7:09 pm

    It never stops surprising me how often cosmetic formulating is driven by marketing, misinformation and fear (although it actually is a science) . Non-color - color additive? When there are so many safe color additives around? I recently had a request for a color without a CI number… eh…..
    -next challenge: I want something wet without the chemical dihydrogen oxide..any ideas?

  • SheilaInBoston

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    September 25, 2017 at 2:07 pm

    I was thinking more along the lines of something that moisturizes or is anti-bacterial, etc., some benefit, that ALSO adds the color blue to the product. (Not Sherwin Williams or my fish’s methylene blue LOL)  [Note: everybody with fish needs to keep a stash of methylene blue for emergencies… it has saved many fish for me.]

    heraklit’s suggestion of deep blue chamomile EO is perfect.  Thanks!

  • heraklit

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    September 25, 2017 at 2:49 pm

    Just like your sunglasses  :)

  • krupabrahmbhatt

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    September 25, 2017 at 4:45 pm

    maybe try pectin, or combination of sclerotium gum/xanthan gum/cellulose

  • gnomebeard

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    August 6, 2018 at 7:32 pm

    Don’t “natural shame”  yourself!! It will limit your ability to make awesome products!!!  I thought natural was the way to go with pomade, but if you’re in the industry to make a kick ass unorthodox water based styling clay…then go for all ingredients!!

  • Chemist79

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    August 24, 2018 at 10:05 pm

    @SheilaInBoston you could try copper PCA

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