[jamsinekhatri]

Perry said:

There isn’t a simple answer to the question. Parabens, Formaldehyde donors, Kathon, Phenoxyethanol, Organic acids, can all be suitable preservatives.

It depends on…

1. The exact formula
2. The quality of raw materials
3. The conditions of production
4. The marketing position of the brand
5. The consumer’s desires
6. The cost, the availability

 thanks

[jamsinekhatri]

ngarayeva001 said:

Germaben II and Liquid Germall Plus are also good options.

What about formaldehyde or DMDMH?

[jamsinekhatri]

Fekher said:

@jamsinekhatri try cathon Cg

 What about formaldehyde or DMDM H ?

[jamsinekhatri]

jamsinekhatri said:

Gunther said:

jamsinekhatri said:

I have made liquid Dishwash. But the problem is that there is a separation after 12 hrs. I don’t know if it is due to mixing or something else. Please guide. Here is my Formulation

Water: 800 ml
Labsa: 80 ml
FD: 1.5%
ETDA: 1.5 gm
UREA: 5gm
Glycerin: 5gm
SLES: 60 gm
AOS: 10 gm
Coco glucoside: 10 gm
Fragrance: qs
Color: qs
Sodium Hydroxide ( For neutralization) pH between : 6-7  
Salt: 12 gm

What’s FD and AOS?

Get rid of glycerin. It does nothing but ruin viscosity and foam.

Coco glucoside kills viscosity too, get rid of it.

2% CDEA seems a bit high and may leave a sticky afterfeel.

   FD is Formaldehde (Preservative), AOS is Alpha Olefin Sulfonates (for Foam Boasting)

Sorry spelled it wrong.. FD is Formaldehyde

[jamsinekhatri]

Gunther said:

jamsinekhatri said:

I have made liquid Dishwash. But the problem is that there is a separation after 12 hrs. I don’t know if it is due to mixing or something else. Please guide. Here is my Formulation

Water: 800 ml
Labsa: 80 ml
FD: 1.5%
ETDA: 1.5 gm
UREA: 5gm
Glycerin: 5gm
SLES: 60 gm
AOS: 10 gm
Coco glucoside: 10 gm
Fragrance: qs
Color: qs
Sodium Hydroxide ( For neutralization) pH between : 6-7  
Salt: 12 gm

What’s FD and AOS?

Get rid of glycerin. It does nothing but ruin viscosity and foam.

Coco glucoside kills viscosity too, get rid of it.

2% CDEA seems a bit high and may leave a sticky afterfeel.

   FD is Formaldehde (Preservative), AOS is Alpha Olefin Sulfonates (for Foam Boasting)

[jamsinekhatri]

Sorry.. Forgot mention… I have also added
CDEA: 20 gm

[jamsinekhatri]

Gunther said:

LABSA is the free acid
you’ll need to neutralize it with Sodium hydroxide to get Sodium alkylbenzene sulfonate.

You can also check to see if you can buy the readymade sulfonate.

  I will get alcohol ethoxylates. I think using it 3% max will be good enough.

[jamsinekhatri]

Gunther said:

I’m pretty sure you can find alcohol ethoxylates in a large city like Delhi
you just need to dig deeper.

For a floor cleaner I believe 8% IPA would be quick drying and  but you need to try it to see if it smells too much
you may wish to substitute some alcohol for a glycol ether.
Alkylbenzene sulfonates at 3-5% will provide superior cleaning to alcohol ethoxylates or polysorbates.

You can find great beginner formulas at
pilotchemical.com

LABSA is Alkylbenzene Sulfonates??

[jamsinekhatri]

If I use alcohol ethoxylates? What   “%” do I need to use?

[jamsinekhatri]

Gunther said:

@jamsinekhatri is PS80 used as a fragrance solubilizer?
Otherwise I don’t see why you’ll prefer it to alcohol ethoxylates.

For floor cleaners check your local regulations on  Volatile Organic Carbon, so you can add some alcohol both for quicker drying and to kill some bacteria on floor.

For a floor cleaner you don’t want too much surfactants, as they ain’t properly rinsed away and can leave a residue on drying.

   Its hard to get alcohol ethoxylates in India (Delhi). So was just asking. Will it okay to add IPA (8%-10%)?

[jamsinekhatri]

Gunther said:

@jamsinekhatri do you need Polysorbate 80 to emulsify fragance or as a cleaning aid?

Floor cleaners aren’t properly rinsed out like shampoos or shower gels,
so you’ll need to make sure ingredients don’t leave a residue on floor.

Too much PS80 may leave a sticky residue.
To exclude all other variables, you can dissolve PS80 in water, mop some floor with it, and compare it too plain demineralized water.

   Hi Gunther,

   I m only going to use it 1-3% (max) … I m trying to use Polysorbate 80 instead of lauryl Alcohol Ethoxylate  .

[jamsinekhatri]

Fekher said:

@jamsinekhatri  i guess that polysorbate 80 can be used in floor cleaner cause it helps in cleaning oils .

Fekher said:

@jamsinekhatri  i guess that polysorbate 80 can be used in floor cleaner cause it helps in cleaning oils .

  Thanks

[jamsinekhatri]

This is to make white phenyl and white phenyl concentrate